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Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by kube-system »

ikeboy wrote: post #118
henryfjordan wrote: post #18

Youtube has it's own system outside of the DMCA to handle copyright claims in which the claimant has all the power. If the poster of a video wants to appeal a copyright claim, they appeal directly to the claimant who gets to decide. You can then appeal to YT directly (good luck with that) but in the meantime the claimant can issue a "strike" on your account. 3 strikes and you are out. So instead of fighting claims, p…

>You can then appeal to YT directly (good luck with that) but in the meantime the claimant can issue a "strike" on your account. Sure ... These "strikes" are DMCA claims. "If they had to file real DMCA claims, these claims on obviously fair-use materials would disappear." So your position is that YouTubers aren't disputing claims because they're scared of strikes, but also that if the only option was strikes then the…

YouTube "manual claims" are not DMCA claims. You can follow these instructions here to file one -- the process does not include filing a DMCA request:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9374251?hl=en&ref_...

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by eranima »

Shivetya wrote: post #112
danso wrote: post #95

It's interesting that Angry Joe got taken down; AFAIK, RedLetterMedia's review didn't get taken down, and it featured decent chunks of non-trailer footage (not sure if any of them were 10+ seconds consecutively) [0]. And, like AJ's, it was a very negative review. I don't doubt AJ was the victim of manual review, I'm just surprised RLM wouldn't be on CBS's shit list as well. (and tangentially: both are right; the "Pic…

sadly RLM was right, it is an atrocious show because certain people in Hollywood and political friends of their are more than willing to trash the legacy of respected shows and movies to score political points and show how "woke" they are. Gone is the attempt to tell good stories and now we are stuck with political preaching which always requires all the canon of the show or movie being used to be trampled if not ins…

If you think Star Trek hasn't always been political, then you haven't been paying attention to any of the themes in Star Trek.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by Vysero »

henryfjordan wrote: post #18

Youtube has it's own system outside of the DMCA to handle copyright claims in which the claimant has all the power. If the poster of a video wants to appeal a copyright claim, they appeal directly to the claimant who gets to decide. You can then appeal to YT directly (good luck with that) but in the meantime the claimant can issue a "strike" on your account. 3 strikes and you are out. So instead of fighting claims, p…

If it really is that simple then that's scary. What's to stop someone from writing some basic scraper code in python that would claim peoples videos and hold them hostage for a fee less they get a strike on their account?

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by ikeboy »

kube-system wrote: post #121
ikeboy wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can then appeal to YT directly (good luck with that) but in the meantime the claimant can issue a "strike" on your account. Sure ... These "strikes" are DMCA claims. "If they had to file real DMCA claims, these claims on obviously fair-use materials would disappear." So your position is that YouTubers aren't disputing claims because they're scared of strikes, but also that if the only option was strikes then the…

YouTube "manual claims" are not DMCA claims. You can follow these instructions here to file one -- the process does not include filing a DMCA request: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9374251?hl=en&ref_...

That's correct, but those manual claims, as well as automatic content ID claims are not strikes and have no negative effect on the channel.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by ikeboy »

Vysero wrote: post #123
henryfjordan wrote: post #18

Youtube has it's own system outside of the DMCA to handle copyright claims in which the claimant has all the power. If the poster of a video wants to appeal a copyright claim, they appeal directly to the claimant who gets to decide. You can then appeal to YT directly (good luck with that) but in the meantime the claimant can issue a "strike" on your account. 3 strikes and you are out. So instead of fighting claims, p…

If it really is that simple then that's scary. What's to stop someone from writing some basic scraper code in python that would claim peoples videos and hold them hostage for a fee less they get a strike on their account?

1. It's illegal, and YouTube has sued at least one person who's done this (YouTube vs Brady)

2. It's easy to counterclaim, which removes the strike completely after 14 days.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by inetknght »

Shivetya wrote: post #112
danso wrote: post #95

It's interesting that Angry Joe got taken down; AFAIK, RedLetterMedia's review didn't get taken down, and it featured decent chunks of non-trailer footage (not sure if any of them were 10+ seconds consecutively) [0]. And, like AJ's, it was a very negative review. I don't doubt AJ was the victim of manual review, I'm just surprised RLM wouldn't be on CBS's shit list as well. (and tangentially: both are right; the "Pic…

sadly RLM was right, it is an atrocious show because certain people in Hollywood and political friends of their are more than willing to trash the legacy of respected shows and movies to score political points and show how "woke" they are. Gone is the attempt to tell good stories and now we are stuck with political preaching which always requires all the canon of the show or movie being used to be trampled if not ins…

> now we are stuck with political preaching

You might want to (re)watch Star Trek TOS. Glaring in my mind is The Omega Glory where Kirk reads off... well, spoilers: it's absolutely a political episode (as is most of Star Trek) and it rather killed the episode in my opinion.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by furgooswft13 »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #115
danso wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DS9 was created without Roddenberry's involvement. And to your point, it severely clashed with his original vision, particularly the inherent non-exploration built into the setting and the dark interpersonal conflicts. But it's arguably still very good – even if you dismiss the later seasons as being too serial and warfare-oriented. "Picard" imho is an across-the-board downgrade, carried only by the sentiments the fa…

DS9 still had a lot of respect for the 'source material' so to speak. New Trek just wants to keep the iconography and tell whatever kind of story they feel like.

Yes. DS9 dealt with the realities of Roddenberry's vision when dealing with alien races that do not buy into it _and_ share your backyard, and an existential threat that was unable to be neutralized by technobabble after a single episode.

This is why, for instance, In the Pale Moonlight was so good. Sisko's actions went against the entire concept he had of himself as the goodguy Starfleet officer (a paragon of virtue!), and it _tore him up inside_. In any other show (and Star Treks since Enterprise), it would have been yet another "dark moment", probably followed by a torture scene.

DS9 never abandoned the Roddenberry ideal in favor of "dark edgy and xplosions", as RLM kind of alludes to in their video. Instead they showed it as an ideal worth striving for, but complicated in the absolute and in extreme circumstances. Previous Star Trek's did this on occasion too, but never admitted it to themselves, which is something much easier to do when everything is reset after the end of each episode (looking at you Voyager).

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by emmelaich »

Keverw wrote: post #60
raverbashing wrote: post #39

A good reminder to avoid doing free publicity of big copyright content. Sure, it's fair use, it's what people are talking about etc. Still, it's free publicity. If not, content creators should be very aware of possible abuses and should add anti-abuse language to their contracts, like this: https://hacked.com/sony-filed-copyright-claim-man-licensed-c...

I've heard that one popular channel accidentally sent a take down for their own content once, then some companies just scan for keywords. I forget where but remember reading that some blog was a take down because some studio ran a bot looking for keywords and assuming anything that mentions their movie titles is a download even though that site didn't host an actual downloads of the movie. So say for example you had…

The white noise was 10 hours of white noise.

Read more here, from the author Sebastian Tomczak

https://blogs.adelaide.edu.au/adelaidex/2018/01/22/the-after...

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by rkuykendall-com »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #36

CBS All Access needs the publicity - good or bad, Joe guy is doing them a favor. Hulu has The Orville which I think has proven definitively that anyone can take the Star Trek formula and pump out a watchable show. Who needs CBS?

The Orville is incredible. Anyone who saw the commercials and thought it was Family Guy in space needs to give it a chance. Seth MacFarlane has proven he can make a great Star Trek story without compromising his own brand of humor or interpersonal relationships. I can't wait until it comes back.
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