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Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by Angostura »

killjoywashere wrote: post #53

This is a head-in-the-sand move by US companies (not just Cerner and Epic, but the hospital system CIOs). If they really think Google is going after healthcare data, they should keep in mind Google is already working with NHS and has a little thing called the Billion Users project focused on India. The British and Indian populations have the same health problems Americans do. Proportions might change, but the content…

> they should keep in mind Google is already working with NHS You should keep in mind that this is pretty controversial in the UK.

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by danielbln »

shmerl wrote: post #112
grzm wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic is not Epic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Systems - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_Store

Oh, thanks for clarifying, I confused them with different Epic indeed.

You're not alone, I went down a few comment threads in here being more and more surprised that Epic games has such a strong foothold in the health market already. Whoops, guess it pays off to actually read the article.

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by givinguflac »

leoh wrote: post #140

Google is absolutely doing the right thing. Anything that can be done to enhance the efficacy of EMR software will help lead to better patient outcomes. As far as I can tell, Google is approaching the problem foremost from the perspective of "how can we make people healthier by making software more effective." Epic and Cerner are simply not doing that. Somewhere in the comments here someone mentioned that most EMR so…

You sound like a “G can do no wrong” fanboy...

Google is absolutely NOT doing the right thing here. They’re are stealing people’s private medical data without their consent.

|and if Google doesn't misuse the data -Don’t worry, they will, like every piece of data they’ve ever fathered.

|people aren't unreasonably paranoid about data misuse, -They are, because google has shown they can’t be trusted ever. They view fines as the cost of doing business so why should they care?

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

skj wrote: post #177
raxxorrax wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that the data flow will be contained within these "mini companies". Formally they are the same company and even with the inefficiency of large corps, I doubt that Google doesn't have the capabilities to efficiently exchange information. That aside, I do not want to rely on the inefficiency of internal processes for data protection.

The data flow is quite well-contained. I obviously can't offer you proof that you'd be likely to accept, but I do work on GCP and have experience with how data is partitioned.

I believe you.

I do not, however, believe that Google has any incentive to keep it that way, once there's buy-in. What Google's doing here is great, but on the other hand it's Google that's doing it.

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by givinguflac »

ENGNR wrote: post #165
foota wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GCP is not an ad company

Neither are Chrome or Android (or all of the other Google products that were once silo'd from each other through privacy agreements and could have been monetized in other ways) Now they all do their best to feed your data straight into Google, while other similar products do their best to protect it. How long until GCP says 'let's pool all of our data for machine learning' or 'centralize your network traffic for secu…

Thank you. These people cheering seem to live in an alternate reality where google has been trustworthy and not a corporate psychopath

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by givinguflac »

skj wrote: post #177
raxxorrax wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that the data flow will be contained within these "mini companies". Formally they are the same company and even with the inefficiency of large corps, I doubt that Google doesn't have the capabilities to efficiently exchange information. That aside, I do not want to rely on the inefficiency of internal processes for data protection.

The data flow is quite well-contained. I obviously can't offer you proof that you'd be likely to accept, but I do work on GCP and have experience with how data is partitioned.

You may not think you’re lying, but the company you work for is and does. Alphabet exists. If they actually cared about solving it and not collecting data. Why not use one of their other alphabet companies or create another? It’s blatantly obvious... you are blind to it apparently

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by givinguflac »

sz4kerto wrote: post #164
cle wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I try hard not to give my data to Google, for a lot of reasons. As a patient, having my healthcare provider hand my data over for them to monetize in God-knows-what ways is...undesirable.

This is where things get mixed up. EPIC is suggesting that using Google Cloud is somehow equivalent with handing data over to Google so that Google works with that data. These are absolutely, extremely different. Assuming that Google will somehow break into your VMs or GKE clusters to get data out and monetize it is crazy, of course, but EPIC tries to suggest that.

| is crazy, of course

Sure, and what company would drive around the entire planet and collect peoples private info and WiFi networks? That’s crazy obviously lmao

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

cosmodisk wrote: post #139
plerpin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows and Office are Trojan horses for Azure. Microsoft does all sorts of SKU trickery at the time of Windows and Office license renewal to make it seem like you can't afford to NOT buy Azure from them.

The problem is, especially with Office, that it has no alternatives.Google Suite is a toy and any open source solution feels like someone chopped your hands off and sent you back to 90's..

Have you tried SoftMaker FreeOffice? It's not libre, but I've heard good things about it.

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

leoh wrote: post #137
ShirtlessRod wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty pessimistic and quite frankly not accurate assessment of the software. They have a ton of clinical functionality, and that's what the majority of the dev/design spends their time on at their users group meeting, among other places. You might not like it, but many do.

You haven't spoken to many doctors then. I don't mean to be a jerk or snarky. It really is an awful piece of software. Among its worst flaws is that in most implementations, neither Cerner not Epic encourage structured data recording except for billing codes. This means that if a patient comes through the medical system frequently, doctors have to read pages and pages of unstructured text to get a sense of what's goi…

This comment is mostly copied and pasted from another of your comments.

Re: Epic Tells Customers It Will Stop Google Cloud Integrations

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Post by creaghpatr »

echelon wrote: post #144
stygiansonic wrote: post #134

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I talked to a doctor at Stanford and he mentioned to me one reason why the main Stanford Health and Stanford Children's Health have separate patient portals (not unified) that you have to create separate logins for is because of the huge amount Epic wanted to charge to merge them. (They both run separate Epic instances as far as I can tell)

How are leeches like this tolerated? The sooner they are driven out of business, the better.

The functionality of the competition isn't much better (google notwithstanding, hypothetically)
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