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Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Maybe, but average people will not believe it.

Average people? Look at the comments here. It's like it's facebook here: "off coarse it's fake, ww3 is coming".

But then, an airplane going down in the middle of what is essentially war begs for skepticism.

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A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

737-800 have reported problems with engines disintegrating in flight, with two accidents, one of them in 2018 leaving 1 passenger dead and 8 injured.

The CFM56 engines used appeared to have issues with detaching compressor blades.

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Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

A fire in the engine is not enough to turn a 737 into a huge burning fireball that crashes within 20 seconds. Regarding the missile theory: if it was a missle, it was probably accidential. The majority of passengers on board were Iranian citizens.

Unless the engine blades detaching ripped apart something critical, as happened several times on different aircraft, and crucially, twice on exactly this model with this engine from similar manufactuer time.

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(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

The Ukrainian embassy reported preliminary information indicates engine failure, and excludes a rocket or terrorist attack as cause. [1] Particularly at this time, I wouldn't trust random sources on the web to provide accurate information about events. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-cras...

The embassy has withdrawn their initial statement [1].

[1] (Ukrainian) https://nv.ua/ukr/ukraine/politics/aviakatastrofa-v-tegerani...

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Happening hours after Iran's strike against bases in Iraq raises the obvious question: is this in any way related to the strikes or a coincidence? I'm guessing it'll be at least a few months before we hear about the why but I wonder if there will be additional focus on it due to the recent tensions.

I won't point fingers at anyone, but: - A 3-year old 737 operated by a reputable airline does not just turn into a huge fireball mid-air and crash like a rock like we see it in the video: https://youtu.be/xRc31DTStwA - It just doesn't happen. - Iran declaring it a "technical error" just hours after the crash is dubious/untrustworthy to say the least. We need a indepedend aviation agency to look at the case, investiga…

Southwest Airlines is, AFAIK, also a reputable airline.

They had two accidents on this type of plane with this engine, randomly disintegrating the engine in flight.

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I won't point fingers at anyone, but: - A 3-year old 737 operated by a reputable airline does not just turn into a huge fireball mid-air and crash like a rock like we see it in the video: https://youtu.be/xRc31DTStwA - It just doesn't happen. - Iran declaring it a "technical error" just hours after the crash is dubious/untrustworthy to say the least. We need a indepedend aviation agency to look at the case, investiga…

Southwest Airlines is, AFAIK, also a reputable airline. They had two accidents on this type of plane with this engine, randomly disintegrating the engine in flight.

What flight numbers?

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> But pretty much all western countries are being threaten by Iran now. Are they? If I remember correctly, Iran threatened the US / Trump specifically (more so since Trump threatened to attack cultural sites). Were there any threats to other western countries?

The UK seems to think so: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/british-strike-on-ir...

The UK is desparate for a 'trade deal' with america having voted to completely cut ties with the EU.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Iran used Fateh-313 surface-to-surface missiles in the recent attacks, some media reported they launched 313 missiles which got to they launched hundreds of missile. But if the footage is real it was not a malfunction. Planes don't catch in fire in the air like that. But not sure if the footage is old rehashed footage yet or not.

Turbine and compressor blades can cause just that. Sometimes they also cut through control lines. Sometimes they just depressurize cabin in a way that kills passenger.

Recent 737-800 had two accidents confirmed to be caused by disintegrating compressor (or was it fan itself?).

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I thought that because of the embargo Boeing could not deliver replacement parts or provide technical assistance, so I am not sure how they can be involved in the post crash investigation either.

Ukrainian aircraft, not Iranian.

That's a good point, I thought it was Iranian.
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