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Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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post #79

Which tells you how smart dinosaurs could have been...

Birds are dinosaurs, the only surviving clade of them. You don't have to watch Jurassic Park to see a living dinosaur, just look at a pigeon or crow!

Look at a chicken! They are incredibly dinosaur-like.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

#183
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could this article explain why?

noisy, attack people without a reason, kill other smaller birds, eat their eggs and nestling and take over their spot. I used to live in a neighbourhood with such a beautiful birds, now Crows took over an all I near in the morning is CRAAW CRAAW

They basically always have a good reason to attack people. If you get attacked by one, it's up to you to figure out why and then not do that again.

A lot of the time it's because you are getting too close to their nests during nesting season. Just take a different path in spring and let them look after their kids in peace.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

#184
post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know we had any idea when speech started or even what form of proto-speech preceded and when it could be said it evolved to speech. Homo Erectus emerged 2 millions years ago, I'm not aware of anything that says speech couldn't have started during his reign. Do you have any source for that 100,000 years figure?

That’s a well known story. Speech beyond mooing means complex bones and muscles working together. https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/could-neandert...

That is largely irrelevant, as there is still the possibility of sign languages.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Personally, I would consider your definition "institutional racism," and both it and stereotyping would be forms of racism.

Only in the sense that they concern "race" (and loosely, since here it's an ethnicity). So, in the same sense that preferring to have sex with women (or men) is "sexism" since "Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender." Just not the kind of sexism that e.g. Weinstein peddled. Just because we call what a bigot or KKK member does racism and making a comment that touches on ethnicity or ra…

The concept of race is not looked on favorably in anthropology anymore, anway. It's better to speak of ancestry groups, as this does not imply biological homogeneity the way 'race' does. Besides, I think for a long time, the concept of race and ethnicity were tied up together, so, 'Racism' is an appropriate way to describe antisemitism, for example. Race is as much a social construct as ethnicity, so the distinction between them was loose from the start.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

#186
post #111

It's fascinating that intelligence exists in different clades & phylum of animals: crows, octopus, apes etc. It suggests intelligence is not very progressive, in evolution. It advances & recedes, and evolution can find multiple paths to it from various starting point. It doesn't take a mammalian brain. Who know what other animal intelligence exists today, or in the past. The current crop of species (us excepted) may…

Intelligence might be easy to evolve, but have a high energy cost. In many environments, the extra intelligence wouldn't allow you to find enough extra food for the trait to be worthwhile.

There's a huge flock of crows gathering near a golf course where I live every winter. I looked it up, and apparently this species live pairwise in summer but in huge flocks in winter.

I honestly wonder how they can find enough food, there are so many of them.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

#187
post #20

We have crows and jackrabbits in our neighborhood. You drive down the road toward a bunch (I think they prefer the term "murder") of crows having a meeting in the middle of the road. They'll eventually start nonchalantly strolling to the side at a calm, measured pace perfectly timed to just barely get out of the way as you pass and stroll back again, no feathers ruffled. Jackrabbits will be sitting safely in the gras…

Pigeons do the exact same though, I never slow down for them because I know they always fly out of the way just in time, even when it looks like you're about to roll over them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPCZtrac-Ss

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

#188
post #20

We have crows and jackrabbits in our neighborhood. You drive down the road toward a bunch (I think they prefer the term "murder") of crows having a meeting in the middle of the road. They'll eventually start nonchalantly strolling to the side at a calm, measured pace perfectly timed to just barely get out of the way as you pass and stroll back again, no feathers ruffled. Jackrabbits will be sitting safely in the gras…

On the other hand, if you are out driving and there's a flock of Canadian Geese walking across the road, try only slowing down to 5 to 10 mph. They are used to people stopping until they finish crossing so they freak out when you don't.

Note: I generally do not advocate purposely messing with animals, but geese are evil! Also don't do this if there are young that might not be able to get out of the way in time.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

#189
post #111

It's fascinating that intelligence exists in different clades & phylum of animals: crows, octopus, apes etc. It suggests intelligence is not very progressive, in evolution. It advances & recedes, and evolution can find multiple paths to it from various starting point. It doesn't take a mammalian brain. Who know what other animal intelligence exists today, or in the past. The current crop of species (us excepted) may…

It's an interesting perspective to think of pre-agricultural (the 40k line is admittedly before that) humans as not standing out amongst other fauna, but on the other hand there is no reason to imagine them standing out any less than groups that stayed hunter-gatherers into modern times and those certainly do/did. They would not have left many traces identifiable after tens of millennia though, not now, not then.

General intelligence, by itself, appears to be just one possible strategy for adapting to the environment, not inherently superior considering that many species get along just fine with survival tactics "hardwired" for their environment. But it sure gives faster adaptability and humans had expanded into very diverse environments deep in the stone age.

What eventually set the human brain apart is the old cliche distinction of opposable thumbs. Back to topic, few things illustrate the value of our hands better that watching a crow headbutt an object with its beak, stop to ponder the results, then headbutt again because what other option does it have?

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

#190
post #39

Country folk assure me that crows can also not only tell the difference between a gun and a stick, but they also have a pretty good idea of what the effective range of the gun is.

My father often tries to shoot the crows in his garden. However, as soon as he opens the door with a rifle they take off. I'm secretly always rooting for the crows.
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