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Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by isatty »

viewbase wrote: post #150
Peckingjay wrote: post #66

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Most likely because Singapore is not also putting huge amount of people in detention camps and harvesting their organs. Maybe if they had the scale to do so they would, but that's not really the question when it comes to public opinion.

Genuine question: is there any proof for organ harvesting of Uighurs yet? A quick Google search on "Uyghur organ harvesting" leads to me tabloid sources and calls for investigations. Uighurs are Turkic people who are genetically different from ethnic Chinese. Transplant recipients must have similar genes in their immune systems to those of the donor. Otherwise, the body will reject the organ. This is also why blacks…

Not this comment again (and yes after looking through your comment history you've been saying the same thing over and over again). Please be gone.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

hellofunk wrote: post #162
irjustin wrote: post #99

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As an US expat living in SG, I would say yes. Singapore is the first place where I actually began to question whether democracy was the absolute way. Democracy was how I was raised. Overall, I still believe it is the way long term, but what can you do when you have a single, unified government that cares for its people is simply amazing. Safest in the world, hands down. This can be felt in every day life. I hold tabl…

There are so many extreme problems with racism in Singapore, including abuse of “minor“ ethnicities in the corporate workplace. It’s benevolent for certain people, and the complete opposite for others. Slave labor is the norm in that country, for both manual labor and seemingly corporate desk work. It’s vastly underpaid, overworked, highly restrictive lifestyle if you’re not a native. You are an expat from United Sta…

The median income in Singapore is S$5400/mo, or around US$40k/year. This is a king's ransom compared to neighboring countries and that's why so many people come to Singapore to work.

There absolutely are abuses, particularly for maids and manual laborers, but many of the worst (eg advance fees that put them into debt) are explicitly illegal in Singapore, and calling white-collar expats "slave labor" is absurd hyperbole.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by physicles »

azernik wrote: post #73
dehrmann wrote: post #62

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Singapore strikes me as another outcome of a China-like single-party state. It's somewhat authoritarian, somewhat free. It's big on national unity, but unlike China, fully acknowledges the distinct cultures there. It's a very unique place.

I have heard a China expert claim that this is the long-term goal of the Chinese Communist Party - a rich, authoritarian state with economic and (non-political) personal freedoms.

That has to be the CCP’s long-term goal: they want to stay in power, and they need to build a rich citizenry so people don’t get uppity and decide revolution is better than the status quo.

But while Singapore feels more or less like the west, China most definitely does not, and the gap grows wider year after year.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by hellofunk »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #182
hellofunk wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many extreme problems with racism in Singapore, including abuse of “minor“ ethnicities in the corporate workplace. It’s benevolent for certain people, and the complete opposite for others. Slave labor is the norm in that country, for both manual labor and seemingly corporate desk work. It’s vastly underpaid, overworked, highly restrictive lifestyle if you’re not a native. You are an expat from United Sta…

The median income in Singapore is S$5400/mo, or around US$40k/year. This is a king's ransom compared to neighboring countries and that's why so many people come to Singapore to work. There absolutely are abuses, particularly for maids and manual laborers, but many of the worst (eg advance fees that put them into debt) are explicitly illegal in Singapore, and calling white-collar expats "slave labor" is absurd hyperbo…

A skilled graphic designer working for a major international brand, even after several years with the company, will on average earn equivalent of 20k US dollars per year for 60 hour work weeks and limited health benefits, if that individual is from a neighboring company. Compare that to nearly triple the salary for a fresh grad with no experience if the individual is a native or westerner.

The ethnic bias is real and extreme, and they take advantage of the employee’s home country disadvantage when setting terms.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by distances »

garmaine wrote: post #177
TomMarius wrote: post #117

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What are the real, practical differences between Nordic style democracy and parliamentary democracy that is in central European countries?

He is talking about culture, not governance.

Exactly -- Nordic countries are among the safest, most honest places, but by culture instead of by control. I was wondering if long enough control would turn into a culture, and the dictatorian control could be eventually abolished.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by viewbase »

isatty wrote: post #181
viewbase wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine question: is there any proof for organ harvesting of Uighurs yet? A quick Google search on "Uyghur organ harvesting" leads to me tabloid sources and calls for investigations. Uighurs are Turkic people who are genetically different from ethnic Chinese. Transplant recipients must have similar genes in their immune systems to those of the donor. Otherwise, the body will reject the organ. This is also why blacks…

Not this comment again (and yes after looking through your comment history you've been saying the same thing over and over again). Please be gone.

Literally my first comment on this topic? Not sure where you are getting the "same thing over and over again”.

I'm done here too. Thanks for the constructive discussion.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by ValentineC »

yorwba wrote: post #180
tdsamardzhiev wrote: post #116

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I'll counter your wikipedia link with one of my own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regimes Not seeking to discredit the ruling party. What they've done with Singapore is nothing short of a miracle. But the fact is that they're still backed up by a ridiculously strong army, and the opposition party exists just so they can say there is one (but is frequently bullied regardless).

Singapore is classified as changing from civilian dictatorship to military dictatorship in 2004 in the source data [0] for that article because the newly elected Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong was a brigadier general until 1984. So it's for purely formal reasons, not because there was a military takeover. Note that by this measure, there can be "military democracies", such as the U.S. during 55 years (in 1946-2008) w…

> Singapore is classified as changing from civilian dictatorship to military dictatorship in 2004 in the source data for that article because the newly elected Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong was a brigadier general until 1984. So it's for purely formal reasons, not because there was a military takeover.

The Singapore government has been trying to move away from this — a significant part by requesting that the press address them as "Mr", instead of their military ranks. There was a time when Lee Hsien Loong was addressed as `BG (NS) Lee Hsien Loong` everywhere [1].

One of the potential heirs to the Prime Ministership is the ex-Chief of Army, Chan Chun Sing [2]. It's very rare to see either the media, or the government themselves, to address him as `MG (NS) Chan Chun Sing` in their publications.

[1] Example from a government website: https://www.nas.gov.sg/archivesonline/speeches/record-detail...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Chun_Sing

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by jtms »

bkor wrote: post #127
archibaldJ wrote: post #74

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I've lived in Singapore for more than half of my life and met expats there from all walks of life. And I would tell you Singapore is very well integrated with western values, both in terms of the cultures and the social-political aspects of many things (other than weed and cocaine, etc; but you can certainly get your hand on some lsd if you know the right contacts). Anyway the point is that Singapore is very westerni…

> And I would tell you Singapore is very well integrated with western values [..] > I've not known a self-declared Left that could stand staying in Singapore for more than a week Weird combination of statements. It gives the impression (though you probably mean something different that anyone not liking it is 1) "left" 2) not part of Western values Left vs right is pretty useless distinction anyway. Someone who is co…

+1 to the “nothing to do after a week” - it does get quite dull very fast. At least the food is amazing. Changi airport was my favorite part of Singapore for the weekend getaways

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by squiggleblaz »

bufferout wrote: post #124
bkor wrote: post #120

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> Safest in the world, hands down. Any figures to back that up? It's said that nothing gets stolen in Singapore, until you speak to Singaporeans. Bikes still get stolen for instance. The city seems super clean, but mainly because low paid workers clean the city really often. If a Singaporean visits another country you'll notice that they're used to the city being cleaned often, not so much that they're behaving diffe…

Keeping the elderly working is not an absolute negative.

Keeping the elderly working is slave labor. Instead, you should make sure that there's always opportunities for them to do meaningful work.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by ValentineC »

headsoup wrote: post #12

Is there a factsheet or written definition for what actually constitutes 'Fake News' or is it "news I don't agree with?" There were perfectly reasonable legal words available to describe fraudulent, false or factually inaccurate statements, it's sad that 'Fake News' has caught on so well as though it is a meaningful term.

> Is there a factsheet or written definition for what actually constitutes 'Fake News' or is it "news I don't agree with?"

The law [1] is broadly worded, and ministers can issue correction orders (which must be complied with immediately) for anything. The affected parties are required to then spend time and money to go through the court system to dispute the order.

[1] https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Acts-Supp/18-2019/Published/20190625?...

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