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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by resters » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:10 PM UTC

claudeganon wrote: post #69

np_tedious wrote: post #67

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He certainly spouts some "bollox" but I don't think I agree about "authoritative". He tends to show a lot of humility and asks a lot of questions rather than making statements

It really depends. Go listen and to his interview with Adam Connover where he uses him as a foil to spout off a lot of nonsense about trans people and their agency.

Correct, that episode was so bigoted and off putting that I decided not to listen to any more.

Hearing someone vent/whine about the orientation and life choices of others is just not my cup of tea.

It was the kind of commentary one might overhear from a table of not-so-bright senior citizens at a Denny’s.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Krasnol » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:10 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #70

There is a real lesson here about just how cavalier the American government - and to some degree the public - is about civil liberties, but that isn't the biggest problem. The problem here isn't even so much the government is being shady - that has happened before, it will happen again. I can understand people not feeling threatened by constant snooping even though I disagree. To me the real problem is how effectivel…

> To me the real problem is how effectively the government has kept this subject from creeping into the public debate.

Well you are on a technical discussion board. There are many people here who are in the position Snowden described there. You can bring your brick to this discussion without having to become a hero as he said. This would push a public debate if you'd kept it up.

Why isn't it happening?

Maybe the government doesn't have to do anything at all and it's still not happening.

"You can't awaken somebody who pretends to be asleep" goes for all sides.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by alfromspace » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:10 PM UTC

katmannthree wrote: post #173

0x445442 wrote: post #150

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We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.

Hypothetically, suppose you work for an intelligence agency. Suppose that your specific role is to monitor foreign influence in the US. What do you do when in your opinion (possibly supported by classified evidence) that duly elected president is compromised by foreign intelligence? What do you do when the president makes decisions that hurt the US and help countries opposed to us? Suppose there's some irrefutable cl…

Suppose there isn't really any such evidence, your opinion is all there is, your intelligence agency has an awful reputation and is infamous for steering the country into conflicts and crises through falsified evidence and statements, and you work to remove the president.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by resters » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:12 PM UTC

rpmisms wrote: post #152

ralusek wrote: post #120

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That was in regards to using puberty blockers on children, I believe. The study stated that many children that believe themselves to be trans ended up simply being gay, and that this lack of certainty (as well as the fact that we don't think of children as rational consenting entities for most things) makes the issue of using puberty blockers controversial. I could be wrong, but I am almost positive that this is what…

That matches with what I remember, and I don't understand why that's a controversial thought here. Changing gender is a big deal, it can wait a few years so you're sure.

That’s not what it was. The guy was venting about how irritating he finds trans people.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by RankingMember » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

KnMn wrote: post #131

Timpy wrote: post #96

Snowden is really clever with these interviews. Right away in the interview he establishes his concerns about the government, then briefly mentions the government smear campaign against him without hanging on the point too much. He calmly explains himself in an articulate way, establishing himself as perfectly sane. Then he reaches out to connect and empathize with his interviewer: > When I hear you just speak, I go…

Oh, man. I completely disagree. I feel like he just talks and talks about whatever he wants to talk about with almost no regard for whether his technical language is being understood or if he's dominating the discussion or anything like that. I don't think I've seen him develop a natural rapport with anyone or even make a firm, memorable point in an interview. I'll always be grateful for his leaks but over 2.5 hours…

I imagine being cooped up in an embassy gives you a lot of time to think and plan what you want to say and, eventually, you end up with a real fire-hose of pent-up expression.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by lern_too_spel » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

resters wrote: post #172

lern_too_spel wrote: post #136

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> Relatively nobody cares. If nobody cared, the only illegal domestic data collection program in the Snowden docs wouldn't have been shut down. It has been. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsas-... If nobody cared, Google wouldn't have encrypted its cross-datacenter traffic. It has. https://gmail.googleblog.com/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of...

How do you know?

I posted links. If you don't think Google has encrypted its cross-datacenter traffic, you can try to access it yourself. If you don't think the NSA has stopped collecting all phone metadata, why would there be records of the NSA collecting a subset of metadata afterward?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by NoGravitas » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

MrGLaDOS wrote: post #126

yodsanklai wrote: post #102

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I really like Joe Rogan, and the format of its podcast. I don't know other medias where they let people speak for three hours. I was suspicious the first time I listened to him. I thought, can this beefy archetypical MMA dude say anything interesting? actually he can. He's at ease with all types of guests, he just seems to be an outspoken, honest guy. I agree that he tends to bring up his favorite topics all the time…

I am sure there are many others, but these three shows feature long-form interviews which feature interesting guests: The Ezra Klein Show - Ezra Klein Making sense podcast - Sam Harris 80000 hours podcast - Rob Wiblin [1] https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast [2] https://samharris.org/podcast/ [3] https://80000hours.org/podcast/

Whatever you think of Chapo Trap House, and there's a lot to criticize them on, from both the left and the right, when they let Virgil Texas do an interview for a whole episode, it's damned good.

Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman is also a very good interviewer, but her guests are often too niche for me to recommend to a general audience.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by katmannthree » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

alfromspace wrote: post #183

katmannthree wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hypothetically, suppose you work for an intelligence agency. Suppose that your specific role is to monitor foreign influence in the US. What do you do when in your opinion (possibly supported by classified evidence) that duly elected president is compromised by foreign intelligence? What do you do when the president makes decisions that hurt the US and help countries opposed to us? Suppose there's some irrefutable cl…

Suppose there isn't really any such evidence, your opinion is all there is, your intelligence agency has an awful reputation and is infamous for steering the country into conflicts and crises through falsified evidence and statements, and you work to remove the president.

Do you agree that if there is real legitimate evidence of him being compromised then working with congress to legally remove him from office according to the process given in the constitution is the right choice?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by bluntfang » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:15 PM UTC

dx87 wrote: post #100

Miner49er wrote: post #77

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> Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments. He worked with journalists in order to avoid this. He gave the government a head's up before the press released anything everytime they released something new. What more do you think he should have done?

If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower, he should have only leaked the specific things that he took issue with, not grab anything he could get his hands on and give it out. For example, there's no good reason for him to give documents to China that tell them which Chinese computers NSA has access to [0]. This myth that he responsibly leaked information needs to die. [0] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-ko…

>If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower...

did you just no true scotsman whistleblowing?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Ajedi32 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:17 PM UTC

vfc1 wrote: post #88

andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

> his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber.

> The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims

I haven't listened that episode, or really many Joe Rogan podcasts at all. But isn't that kinda the opposite of an echo chamber? He had two guests on with opposing viewpoints, and gave both of them a fair shake, even when one of the guests had an minority (absurd) opinion?