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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by AstralStorm »

bowmessage wrote: post #78
jkoudys wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least not centralised cashless transactions. A mesh network using some kind of crypto is even better at avoiding government interference than cash.

Don’t all cryptos rely on a global network consensus for operation? How would Kashmir’s forked chain resynchronize with the larger chain once back online?

It doesn't work. It is still relying on centralized internet architecture we have.

Mesh nets with singular remaining internet access would crumble under the load too.

I guess a lot of economy instantly switches to IOU, barter and banknotes. (Including gold and other assets for the rich.) The old and tried ways.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by AstralStorm »

kerkeslager wrote: post #113
jkoudys wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least not centralised cashless transactions. A mesh network using some kind of crypto is even better at avoiding government interference than cash.

If the government wanted to cripple cryptocurrency in a country, all they'd have to do is turn off the electricity. Sure, some people would have off-grid power, but enough to have a reasonably functioning economy? Unlikely.

Not even that, it's enough to take down a few backbone routers. The same reliability that prevents forging it would break any used cryptocurrency in two, if it even works at all.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by AstralStorm »

wtmt wrote: post #149
jefftk wrote: post #99

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Satellite internet, with batteries or a generator, works even when local conflict shuts down pretty much everything else.

Satellite Internet access would also be shutdown in a scenario like this, since it would be the government permitting or denying who operates a satellite to provide such services and the associated spectrum used...unless other countries or individuals are able to put up satellites to help people in oppressive regimes (slightly similar to the concept of Tor). Is there something like this? Perhaps neighboring countries…

The thing is, only the few rich will be able to afford this kind of backup. This is Kashmir we're talking about, essentially a third world country still.

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Post by kbad1000 »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #69
kobiguru wrote: post #54

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Okay, let's say they lift the ban here is how things will transpire. First, Pakistan's ISPR would start a massive disinformation campaign aided by the separatist who lost all their influence with the present government but has a great following among the Kashmiri Youth. Then there would immense violence with many dead while the "leaders" and there loved ones stay in a five-star hotel in Delhi. To prevent a loss of li…

C'mon, stop bringing Pakistan into this. India has mismanaged Kashmir so badly that the majority of the population wants to leave India -- and not to join Pakistan, mind you, but to be independent.

If Pakistan is not part of problem then why is it so much agitated by internal affairs of India? Let's be clear here the call for 'Gajawa E Hind' (which means complete destruction of Kafirs in India and establishment of a Islamic rule) runs in most of the Pakistanis, though they can't do anything for this, the emotions are clear. On the other hand Pakistan is a military autocracy. Without enemity with India and a cause for fighting, their existence and dominance is threatened. For them the conflict is their oxygen.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by kbad1000 »

unmole wrote: post #162
tech_dreamer wrote: post #145

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A democratically elected Indian government has exercised it's mandate to update a temporary constitutional provision (370 and 35A and NOT 371 as mentioned above - these were granted 70 years ago) I'm not sure why foreign governments and media are getting fixated over it. Any armed struggle or insurgency movement against India will be crushed regardless. Also no other state or union territory has/had provisions for ha…

After denying the people of J&K the chance to democratically elect a government, a constitutionally dubious Presidential order was used to fundamentally alter the state. As an Indian, I find it concerning that our media is not fixated on this and instead is toeing the government line.

There are no fair elections in Kashmir. Only three families rule there, who receive money from both sides of the border.

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Post by kbad1000 »

abhchand wrote: post #172
kobiguru wrote: post #13

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Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto. The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is goi…

> The other thing that is ignored is that for seventy years Kashmir has gotten the biggest share of the central government's outlays for states and they have nothing to show for This is a poor view of how areas should be funded. Governments are responsible for common welfare of a people, not to be run as a business that expects kickbacks and profit or returns on investment.

The fact is general population never received the money sent from Central government. Many have vested interests in autonomy of Kashmir, one of which are the elite three political families. They are the ones who have sucked all of that money.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by kbad1000 »

jnbiche wrote: post #112
owaislone wrote: post #53

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I think you misunderstood my comment or I failed to explain what I was trying to say. My point was that any nation state unilaterally revoking the autonomy of a region is undemocratic unless the people of that region vote for it. Imagine the Spanish military marching into Catalonia, shutting down all means of communication, arresting most Catalan politicians, lawyers and activists, and then unilaterally dismantling t…

> Imagine the Spanish military marching into Catalonia, shutting down all means of communication, arresting most Catalan politicians, lawyers and activists, and then unilaterally dismantling the Catalan parliament and constitution, just because people in Madrid felt so I can't tell if you're being ironic. Because many similar things happened to Catalonia two years ago: arresting Catalan leaders, suspending parliament…

And more importantly Catalan is a economically output generating region and not a consumer.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by kbad1000 »

owaislone wrote: post #18
kobiguru wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto. The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is goi…

> I am not sure if this will work or not but what I am sure is that the previous status quo did not work. Moreover, how long would the entire state's ambition be held hostage because of an intolerant minority in four districts in the Kashmir valley? As long as a peaceful referendum is not held that lets the people of the region decide their own future?

The deal of plebiscite cancelled itself when Pakistan invaded in 1965.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by kbad1000 »

nashashmi wrote: post #136
thanks1banks2 wrote: post #133

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India is a secular state. We treat all religions with equal respect. This is in the constitution. This issue is an internal matter following due process within our parliamentary framework.

Secular in name only. The current party has been anti minority with significant frequency and protectionist of hindu beliefs. It is the reason why Kashmir never merged with the rest of India.

Literally religion had nothing to do with abolishment of article 370. India is secular and this government is much more secular than any Congress coalition in the past few decades. NDA government is not a appeasement government.
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