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Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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So basically an exercise in blowing several million dollars.

It's funny the stuff HN fixates on. If all you read is this comment thread, you might actually believe that non-porn Tumblr really is just "an exercise in blowing several million dollars", rather than a concern for a very loud, probably rather small subset of Tumblr users (or rather: former users). What seems at least as likely as "adult content is vital to the future of Tumblr" is that adult content has much more va…

The adult content is what differentiated tumblr from other platforms, users came to tumblr for it and stayed to view other content. Remove it and those users decide it's not worth sticking around versus twitter/facebook/whatever. So while you don't lose as much content you do lose a proportionally larger percentage of users (50% seems to be cited). And once those users leave the creators of sfw content will start to move to other platforms.

Or in other words porn was free marketing and lead generation for tumblr. I somehow doubt a buyer will be willing to put in enough money to make up for it.

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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Because it drives multiples of traffic?

Which is mostly unmonetisable by anyone other than advertising more porn. So it's not worth that much?

Except from what everyone is saying and the drop in traffic people are observing it drove multiples of SFW traffic. The porn kept and drove users but they also viewed plenty of SFW content as well. You can monetize the SFW side of things.

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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I'm super excited to have the Tumblr team and product join the Automattic family. We've been evolving Automattic to be more of a Berkshire Hathaway-inspired model and businesses with a lot of autonomy, and this continues that trend. I was very impressed with the engagement and activity Tumblr has continued to have, and I hope that with this new ownership and investment the product will blossom.

It would be nice if investment in Tumblr is made to create a privacy focused social network for those who have or would like to remove FB from our worlds.

it's probably not economically feasible to have a privacy-respecting app that's also funded by a programmatic targeted advertising network.

even if it was, people have shown over and over that they prioritize convenience over privacy, and businesses simply aren't conscientious enough to try a different way.

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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Nope. >Mr. Mullenweg said his company intends to maintain the existing policy that bans adult content. He said he has long been a Tumblr user and sees the site as complementary to WordPress.com. “It’s just fun,” he said of Tumblr. “We’re not going to change any of that.”

It doesn't mean it's going to be like that forever. Maybe they're just saying that for the time being until the deal goes through, and afterwards when they've actually familiar with the product and know what it takes to properly implement adult content handling for Tumblr. Automattic isn't that large of a company, and it could take some time and effort to implement proper content moderation features, assign and train…

> Automattic isn’t a large company

> Either way, even if they leave everything as is

Which is their plan for the moment. Which worries me about the sanity of Automattic. When you’ve stopped growing long ago and you start buying ventures to keep the turnover going, you end up like this big company which was buying ventures to stay afloat. What was it again?

Ah, Yahoo.

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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I'm curious why you would choose to maintain Verizon's policy changes that alienated the majority of the user-base.

They only paid $20 million. Buying a brand name and some domain relevant developers for that little is probably a good deal.

They paid something closer to $3MM according to Dan Primack (but also took on the employee payroll).

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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This move excites me a lot. Tumblr isn't really about "brands" (in spite of what Oath would've wanted you to believe)— it's a lot of things, but at the end of the day, at it's core, it's a blogging platform.

IMO it had a lot of potential in the late 2000s but the execution just wasn't there, and I have a few theories why that could've been:

- Cost of revenue. Tumblr was pretty media-heavy from the start (vs Twitter for example, which started as short snippets of text, reddit which didn't host its own images/video until much later, etc). The cost of this, per user, was probably huge. Moreover, they had to power things like custom themes, custom sub-domains, 7 different kinds of posts, etc. That doesn't sound cheap.

- Location. It matters a lot, and growing a company like this in NYC was probably harder, especially at the time, then it would've been in SF or the bay. Be this in terms of getting the right engineers, investors, managers, etc.

- Ambition. I've heard from a reliable source that David Karp, originally, simply didn't want Tumblr to grow huge and become this behemoth of a tech company. He kept it at about a dozen engineers for as long as he could, and even when the company started growing more, he doesn't seem to be an empire-building entrepreneur like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates. Now that he's out of Tumblr, he's fallen completely off the radar. I doubt he will build anything else. He's got the money he needs, so it wouldn't surprise me if he just retires.

I think it had, at one point, the potential to compete with the likes of Instagram and VSCO for the younger creative demographic (Can't beat Tumblr's customizability, and some themes make great portfolios). Or with twitter as a place to post random thoughts and follow celebrities (Taylor Swift, afaik, still uses Tumblr. Tumblr invented reblogs before Titter invented retweets afaik). Or with Snapchat and the like for the younger demographic who likes privacy and anonymous features (it had an anonymous question/answer feature before tbh, a company since acquired by Facebook).

But it didn't happen.

At this point, I don't think it makes sense for them to even try to make it happen. Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc. They're here to stay as the primary players in their respective markets. The space where I feel there's still room for Tumblr to shine is back in its core competency, which is the fully customizable "personal site".

The fact you can follow Tumblr sites and be followed is icing on top of the cake but not a core competency to be leveraged because the feed market is crowded with all the aforementioned players. The fact you can take any content, and publish it on the web in any format you want (thanks to how highly customizable Tumblr profiles are) is amazing and should be the primary focus.

Essentially, Tumblr cannot compete in feeds, but it can compete in profiles and use its feed as a killer added benefit.

Let's look at what Automattic has achieved with WordPress. It offers you a fully-customizable site, to post your content, and _a third_ of the top 10 million sites (by Alexa ranking) are using it [1]. What I want to see is WordPress building up Tumblr to be like this— an option for people looking to set up websites.

Square just bought Weebly for $365 million, and it accounts, at the moment, for 0.4% of the top 10 million CMSes [1]. The space for small-shop online commerce is evidently valuable.

Lets say WordPress pitches Tumblr as a competitor to Squarespace or Weebly in the e-commerce field. It's already-existing social features could boost the value of its commerce features considerably. Maybe as a competitor to Squarespace or Behance in the personal-portfolio field. Again, its already existing feed could have amazing added value. As a creative I'd consider it over Behance right away for exposure. If you were an artist, would you prefer a SoundCloud that also allows you to set up a personal music site, complete with custom url, online shop, cool looks, etc? Imagine a writing and discovery experience that is as good or better than Medium, but you can customize the front page of publication to not look anything like medium.

Long-term, and if they align the protocols, Tumblr could become a follow button for the web. But first it has to become a larger part of the web and this is where Automattic I think can really excel with Tumblr.

I'm very excited.

[1]: https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management...

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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Medium isn't the Medium it used to be. WordPress.com and Tumblr are now controlled by the same outfit. Then there's Blogger, a Google toy. How long before someone else sees opportunity in current limited amount of choice for blogging consumers?

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Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny the stuff HN fixates on. If all you read is this comment thread, you might actually believe that non-porn Tumblr really is just "an exercise in blowing several million dollars", rather than a concern for a very loud, probably rather small subset of Tumblr users (or rather: former users). What seems at least as likely as "adult content is vital to the future of Tumblr" is that adult content has much more va…

> a very loud, probably rather small subset of Tumblr users (or rather: former users) Well, according to this chart (which I have only cursorily vetted), it seems there are a lot of "former users": https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/af9rwu/oc_... It shows that as of Jan, 2019, there were about 50% as many users as when the ban was announced. That would suggest that there are as many "former users" as t…

That chart is based on Google Trends, which is a terrible way to measure social network activity/popularity.

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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Surprised by this news. Tumblr has lost a ton of momentum since its policy change, and the site itself doesn't have a very strong "brand" audience attached to it. Fun fact: I can't recall the last time I either opened a Tumblr link or saw one in the wild. But maybe that's just me.

They do have some big names sticking around like Taylor Swift ( https://taylorswift.tumblr.com/post/185958366550/for-years-i... ).

any reasonably large brand that can afford a social media manager will use automated tools that crossposts the exact same content to Twitter, FB, IG, and Tumblr.

The original appeal of Tumblr was that it was a modern day Xanga, lots of personal, anonymous journaling, weird jokes and photos. I don't recall anybody becoming an influencer via Tumblr, probably because it didn't attract that kind of audience.

Re: Verizon to Sell Tumblr to Automattic

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That choice boggles the mind. If you're worried about cross-links between non-adult and adult content tarnishing the platform, add better features for user flagging. They (before the Yahoo and Verizon cluster&#-1s) were essentially sitting on a gold mine of training data, and ongoing training data generation, for an industry-leading porn detection engine. A subscription filtering product that would be worth $$$. Thro…

Are you worried that there's not enough porn on the internet already?

It's just that tumblr had the best porn.
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