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That is too much for one sentence. More sentences would read easier.
He's a lawyer, it's part of the tradecraft.
dragonwriter is a laywer? Must have graduated recently. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16171225
Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#182If he was suicided, it was very well done, and a message sent to everyone who is involved. The message is "if you betray us, we will find and kill you even while you are on suicide watch in jail". Epstein just didn't seem like a guy who would have a guilty conscience and decide he couldn't handle all any more. I looked a bit into his case, mainly prompted by articles like these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2…
> Epstein just didn't seem like a guy who would have a guilty conscience and decide he couldn't handle all any more.
He did seem to me like a guy who would take the prospect of a life sentence very badly, though. Based on recent reporting, he seemingly believed that he was going to usher in a new stage of human development through a combination of spreading his own DNA (i.e. impregnating dozens of women) and funding research into genetic engineering, AI, and maybe even ESP. The near-certainty of recent events dooming that project could have been a fatal blow to his ego.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#183Wow. I don’t think I have seen a situation before where Occam’s razor doesn’t help writing off the conspiracy. It seems harder in this case to believe someone in a jail cell on suicide watch kills themselves than to believe that it was arranged (that is, at least “allowed”). It’s suspiciously sloppy.
The linked article says its unclear if he was actually on suicide watch: "There are reports that Epstein was placed on suicide watch following [his earlier suicide attempt], although this has not been confirmed by officials"
So, after the guy attempted suicide, and is facing a massively embarrassing scrutiny of his sex life, they decided not to put him on suicide watch? That's nearly as suspicious as dying on suicide watch.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call me naive, but I would simply conclude the jailing facilities are underfunded and unable to prevent someone from committing suicide. I just can't imagine someone being able to order such a murder. There would be too many people involved and risks of getting caught.
if someone is in prison for life they have little to lose, and plenty to gain by doing wetwork for corrupt officials.
What does he gain? He's dead.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#185I was expecting to see conspiracy theories due to the assorted powerful and wealthy people Epstein has been linked with, but really think about it. He was a wealthy man who lived a pampered lifestyle and had largely escaped consequences for his actions in the past but was unlikely to do so in this case. He was looking at spending the rest of his life not just in prison but as something of a pariah in prison (wealthy,…
So, you're saying that there is no suicide watch really, even for the blatantly violently suicidal who have just made a suicide attempt?
Remember - cells have video cameras, or at least - certainly suicide watch cells do, and people glance at these camera, you would think, every few minutes. Was Epstein the fastest noose-maker-and-hanger in the world?
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#186This sounds too convenient. If this was a suicide and not anything more sinister, this is gross negligence by prison authorities. It was their solemn duty and responsibility to see this person face trial. This will only inflame conspiracy theory minded people to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves. This is depressing. I’m yet hopeful evidence will be used to bring guilty parties t…
Call me naive, but I would simply conclude the jailing facilities are underfunded and unable to prevent someone from committing suicide. I just can't imagine someone being able to order such a murder. There would be too many people involved and risks of getting caught.
Epstein was supposed to be under 24/7 camera surveillance. But they are saying there was a camera malfunction.
Dunno man it really doesn't add up to a suicide.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
People "on suicide watch" die all the time. It's not super rare.
It's not super common either. He was a very high profile criminal, but also a potential witness against very high profile people. Special precautions should have been taken.
And he was under 24/7 camera surveillance. If it was a clean suicide there should be video evidence.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
People "on suicide watch" die all the time. It's not super rare.
It's not super common either. He was a very high profile criminal, but also a potential witness against very high profile people. Special precautions should have been taken.
Right, but "not super common" isn't "this is impossible".
See eg Fred West.
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#189How does a guy on suicide watch kill himself? This is a massive failure of Justice.
"Suicide watch" covers a range of activity. Someone may be getting a visual check once an hour, once every 30 minutes, or once every 15 minutes. That may be as simple as looking through a hatch / peephole to see if the person isn't obviously ligatured, or it may include calling to the person and hearing a response. There's not much evidence that 15 minute observations work, and some evidence they cause harm. If someo…
Wasn't he on 24/7 camera surveillance?
Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call me naive, but I would simply conclude the jailing facilities are underfunded and unable to prevent someone from committing suicide. I just can't imagine someone being able to order such a murder. There would be too many people involved and risks of getting caught.
Epstein was supposed to be under 24/7 camera surveillance. But they are saying there was a camera malfunction. Dunno man it really doesn't add up to a suicide.
Malfunction is BS. A proper system would alert of camera offline condition or storage offline, etc.