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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by elygre »

codycraven wrote: post #171
geofft wrote: post #116

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The passive voice here is fascinating. Huawei did something! What did they do? They got accused. Who is accusing them? AKHAN Semiconductor (and the FBI), a small company in Illinois whose primary product is these diamond-coated screens. Past their founder, the second person on their about page is their "Vice President of Government Affairs;" the third person listed on their about page is their "Global Security and In…

I had a friend at Huawei about a year ago tell me how they had lawyers come in and prep them on the exact procedures they should follow in the event of an FBI raid. This was well before I heard anything in the news about China, Huawei, etc tensions. Knowing this, I personally give quite a bit of weight to any accusation against the company. I have a hard time justifying in my mind that a company operating legitimatel…

Uber prepared their employees for this:

"At least two dozen times, the San Francisco headquarters locked down equipment in foreign offices to shield files from police raids."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/uber-s-se...

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by choonway »

m0zg wrote: post #180
choonway wrote: post #178

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from a lecturer's perspective - It's not a problem if students pass - it's a problem if everybody gets an 'A' and there was no way to differentiate the cohort. It's a problem if too many fail - you have people retaking subjects and you don't have enough lecturers for additional classes - there are new students coming through the pipeline. Consequently, a minimum pass is usually indicative of the 'end of the road' and…

What I meant to say, there was a bit of an arms race going on, especially in higher education. The professors and teachers knew many (if not all) students were cheating, so they adjusted the difficulty accordingly, so that, as you point out, not everyone gets an A. I don't know if it's still going on. And I did have a few professors which considered it a problem if more than half of their class passed the first time…

Such professors... have another reason for failing half the class...

They have to fail a number of students so that his class size maintains the numbers to avoid unwanted attention from the administration.

If let's say the normal class size was about 20, but you only get about 15 new students each semester, so you fail 5 of them (or more accounting for dropouts) to make up the numbers.

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Post by jotm »

yarg wrote: post #120
pravda wrote: post #63

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Well, in the USA, American industry got its start by stealing British technology. At this point, China copying foreign technology is just the path of least resistance. Eventually, China will be doing the innovating.

The assumption there that the capacity for creativity in China comparable to that in the west. I wonder firstly about the extent to which creativity can exist to a societally significant extent under an increasingly authoritarian government. I also wonder about the extent to which the Chinese creative class was purged in the cultural revolution, and what impact that may have had on the societal capacity for creativit…

So all the Soviet engineers, scientists and mathematicians were just stealing from the other genuinely liberal and freely educated societies?

What about the Japanese?

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by muro »

elygre wrote: post #181
codycraven wrote: post #171

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I had a friend at Huawei about a year ago tell me how they had lawyers come in and prep them on the exact procedures they should follow in the event of an FBI raid. This was well before I heard anything in the news about China, Huawei, etc tensions. Knowing this, I personally give quite a bit of weight to any accusation against the company. I have a hard time justifying in my mind that a company operating legitimatel…

Uber prepared their employees for this: "At least two dozen times, the San Francisco headquarters locked down equipment in foreign offices to shield files from police raids." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/uber-s-se...

Uber, the paragon of virtue when it comes to following the law.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by [deleted] »

codedokode wrote: post #134
AFascistWorld wrote: post #109

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Yeah you can always be inspired by others. https://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/9196f7a9gy1g08e99znw9j20u01s612...

Also I wanted to note that the image you linked to compares an iPhone's ads with Xiaomi's (if I am correct) and the image doesn't mention Huawei.

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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by yarg »

jotm wrote: post #184
yarg wrote: post #120

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The assumption there that the capacity for creativity in China comparable to that in the west. I wonder firstly about the extent to which creativity can exist to a societally significant extent under an increasingly authoritarian government. I also wonder about the extent to which the Chinese creative class was purged in the cultural revolution, and what impact that may have had on the societal capacity for creativit…

So all the Soviet engineers, scientists and mathematicians were just stealing from the other genuinely liberal and freely educated societies? What about the Japanese?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_is_the_mother_of_inv...

I'm not saying that the possible factors that I'm talking about are the only ones at play, I'm arguing that their potential for impact is significant enough that they cannot simply be discounted.

Also, regarding Soviet success, they had a tendency to throw shit at the wall to see what would stick (https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/c...) to an extent well in excess of what would be acceptable in a less callous society.

(Not that America was innocent in this regard - https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_...)

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by yarg »

yarg wrote: post #161
riffraff wrote: post #138

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Let's say China has 20 times less creativity than the west. This means still more creativity than most western countries because of their size.

That's really not how statistics works though. Imagine a pair of overlapping normal distributions ( https://www.google.com/search?q=overlapping+normal+distribut... ), the ratio between the two is far from fixed, and the further of centre you go, the greater the discrepancy. My suspicion is that an authoritarian regime is likely to offset the centre of the creativity distribution. But that's not the full extent of wha…

Further off centre.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by _ph_ »

spectramax wrote: post #173
paulryanrogers wrote: post #121

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"Someone else does it too" isn't a very strong argument. We may be approaching a world where all critical infrastructure must be open hardware and software, or face a Balkenizd patchwork of suppliers local to each market. (Not a Cisco or Huawei fan myself.)

I love how people are trying to justify Huawei’s practices through asinine ways. Huawei needs to be criticized, banned, ostracized and condemned in the strongest way possible. China is lost its credibility a long time ago - the rest of the world cannot blindly trust any Chinese company. The Chinese has mismanaged their “brand” to reap short term benefits. It can only go so far. Doing business with honesty, integrity…

the rest of the world cannot blindly trust any Chinese company

The world cannot blindly trust any company. Companies are not persons. Companies try to make a profit, so at a whim they might change their business practises. With some luck you can trust a sitting CEO, but not even that is a given.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by _ph_ »

Whatarethese wrote: post #31

I'd be throwing my phone in the trash right about now. I would venture to guess all Huawei data is going to China.

I assume, you have no Facebook or Google account?

Just to name some companies whose business principle is built on aquiring as much data about you as possible. With Facebook we even have documented and publicly admitted cases where they shared the data with third parties.

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