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Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:04 PM UTC

chongli wrote: post #147

eivarv wrote: post #29

I don't understand why the big players such as Facebook and Google keeps insisting on using (appeals to) authority as a proxy to truth, when we have rules and systems for critical thinking. It seems to me that if the claims and stories in question could be re-posed (e.g. as falsifiable, logically coherent statements or arguments) the worst of "fake news" could be weeded out. The rest (and biases, etc.) would likely h…

Google and Facebook want to have their cake and eat it too: billions of users without having millions of customer service workers. What they're trying to accomplish, to my mind at least, would require the invention of general AI. Automatic content moderation sounds very close to a Turing test to me.

Google Home is maybe years ahead of what Facebook voice-AI will feel like.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:05 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #12

dunpeal wrote: post #2

I wonder what the score would be if Facebook users were to rate its trustworthiness on a scale from zero to one.

Perhaps there is a reciprocal element. If Facebook appears not trustworthy to me, then I don't trust Facebook, and then probably I will appear not trustworthy to Facebook.

Yes I imagine most consumers will eventually come to think like this. You might be a bit ahead of the curve though?

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:05 PM UTC

lez wrote: post #25

I'm curious how Facebook will distinguish between a fake news and a sci-fi essay I just posted on my blog. I'm guessing I'll be having close to zero visitors on my sci-fi blog.

Try writing about stuff that is against Silicon Valley, all of these platforms band up against you - it's amazing.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:06 PM UTC

ada1981 wrote: post #136

So the bots will auto-post links to Wikipedia articles in certain groups and then 1 in 1,000 will be on the target groups with the fake news. This will become like gaming Google rank.

I had a revelation a few days ago, a crypto "Airdrop" is nothing but a campaign that turns people into bots.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:06 PM UTC

jwilk wrote: post #17

Archived copy without GDPR nag screen: https://web.archive.org/web/20180821143120/https://www.washi...

Thanks I've yet to read the original.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:07 PM UTC

creaghpatr wrote: post #80

I'm here for the Black Mirror 'Nosedive' comparisons.

The "Black Mirror" coming true slant is albeit amusing.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:07 PM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #3

Interesting. I wonder if this includes lies told in private messages?

That would be the day - encrypt your Messenger convos, but they show Ads and ensure you aren't bullying or lying to anyone.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:08 PM UTC

diogenescynic wrote: post #168

I’d rate Mark Zuckerberg a zero.

So not running for President in 2020? I think Bernie at 80 might make a better leader.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by MichaelKSpencer » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:09 PM UTC

misterbowfinger wrote: post #7

Could we change the title to "Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users"? The zero to one bit is irrelevant and obvious to programmers.

People just don't like being equated to a number, even if it's for a "good cause".

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Post by ithilglin909 » Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 4:56 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #162

ithilglin909 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their knowledge of the fact is going to be based on what third-party sources they trust (including those acting as fact checkers), which is tightly correlated with viewpoint. But that's true of nearly everything. On anything controversial, users will generally vote based on what they like to believe, and such a system of ranking news stories or posters of news stories would never be reliable.

> But that's true of nearly everything. Yes, that's my whole point: the claim made that users flag content bases on ideology rather than factual disagreement is essentially impossible to be justified, since perception of facts and ideological viewpoints are deeply intertwined.

I don't disagree, but I'm sure that users will also flag stories as false that are most likely true, but that don't reflect well on their side of an issue.