I don't know why people in this thread are asking how you avoid this. You don't have to. It's not a huge amount. Things have risks, and that's OK.
How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US
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#182One interesting thing ive noticed about chinese culture are the heuristics around cleanliness. Vegetables are always washed vigorously and cooked. Salads and sandwiches and other raw-like things are rather disliked. Hands are washed after petting dogs/cats. Slippers always worn around the house. Dislike of carpets. Windows opened every morning for fresh air. Other random stuff. The safety heuristics cant be delegated…
I remember watching TV growing up... Full house or whatever family sitcom. The kids laid the bed with their shoes on, school clothes. My mom comments on how dirty that is. Additionaly it seems like only textbook are Americans using paper towels to open bathroom doors after washing their hands. My mom instilled that at a young age (I'm 36 now). Now it irritates me to see a Dyson hand dryer, and have to open the bathro…
In my family shoes are left outside the house; they never come in.
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#183> Leafy vegetables were also the second most common cause of food poisoning-related hospitalizations. I never quite got to like lettuce. I don't know why people like it. It just doesn't have much taste, its leaves are too big, so have to shove them in awkwardly. I'd rather have a salad with chopped ripe tomatoes, onions / chives, cucumbers, cabbage, etc. Even with those, I often wonder if people don't eat more veggie…
Salad is an excuse to eat dressing.
But by adding dressing you've increased the amount of fat in your salad 1000%…
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#184I really wonder what's the problem. Either the factory or the restaurant washes the salad for you or you do it yourself. Here in an European country I can buy pre-washed salad like sliced sugarloaf or lettuce. I toss this directly on my plate and chow away. It's more expensive, but it's convenient and probably safe. I trust the shop to sell me good quality.
The article explicitly states that washing, even triple washing, is not enough
Re: How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US
#185I really wonder what's the problem. Either the factory or the restaurant washes the salad for you or you do it yourself. Here in an European country I can buy pre-washed salad like sliced sugarloaf or lettuce. I toss this directly on my plate and chow away. It's more expensive, but it's convenient and probably safe. I trust the shop to sell me good quality.
Actually everything you wrote is directly contradicted in the article, so perhaps consider reading it before commenting?
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#186> Marler also blames Americans’ love of convenience for the problem. “Mass-produced chopped, bagged lettuce that gets shipped around the US amplifies the risk of poisoning,” he said. > Instead of shipping heads of lettuce or large carrot sticks that people wash, we chop them and mix them up in processing, then package them in plastic bags. In that process, Marler said, “The bacteria has a chance to grow. And a lot of…
> I've often wondered what effect that processing has on lettuce.
Yeah the difference is the head of lettuce is alive and the chopped stuff is dead. Better is it's been 'washed' AKA inoculated with whatever bacteria is living in the wash water.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But it is the only diet research that can actually generate knowledge. > The studies you cite are nice and all, but the first two are for studies that measured outcomes after 6-8 weeks. If you assume an average lifespan of 70 years, the longest study represented ~1/450th of a human lifespan. And, as you mention, they only measure what we think are valid indicators, not actual outcomes! And the third study may contr…
> However, many of the epidemiological studies are over very large populations and time periods, so it's not as though the body of evidence consists of a 6-8 week studies. And honestly the fact that the effects are so strong in such a short period of time strengthen the argument in some ways. The studies all tell us nothing about the long term implications of diet. The long study tells us nothing because it is purely…
Correlation cannot demonstrate lack of causation, only lack of linear dose response. (Incl. Multivariate)
Any nonlinear enough process will show with wrong low correlations.
Suppose the process is stepwise - silly sample hypothesis, eating over x grams meat a day is harmful. It is binary. Correlation is meaningless for such a process. You have to use significantly more powerful statistic tools. Logistic regression will somewhat work for such a process for instance if the boundary is somewhat fuzzy. (You can put exact mathematical bound on how fuzzy.)
To extend it for multivariate analysis you get to use such complex tools as nonlinear ICA. (Instead of CCA and PCA for linear.)
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
E coli don't rinse off; they form a biofilm with significant adhesion. You have to cook them to kill them.
However, washing in a water & bleach sanitizing solution will. You generally don't cook romaine lettuce prior to making a salad.
You wash your vegetables in bleach before eating them?!
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#189Why do people even eat salad (lettuce)? It tastes awful unless you drown it in sauce...
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cooked food provides more energy than raw food. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2011/12/08/why-calori...
Is that something that most people on HN want? More energy from their food?
It would mean that they could eat less to get the same number of calories?