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Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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stcredzero wrote: post #143
wqnt wrote: post #101

I remember back in college when I applied for a job in a multi-national company, I didn't get a math screening quiz that applicants from outside of United States had to take. The quiz was pretty easy middle school math that would take 15 minutes to complete. It turns out that the reason is that screening for basic math competency could be discrimination, because it reduces the chance of hiring for minorities who do l…

It turns out that the reason is that screening for basic math competency could be discrimination, because it reduces the chance of hiring for minorities who do less well at math testing. If it genuinely screens for basic math, then there's nothing racist about it. artificially discriminate in the opposite direction and suppress valid criteria that are statistically unfavorable to minorities. Eroding meritocracy is ul…

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Caveman_Coder wrote: post #177
guildenstern wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nevermind, hn is not the place for discussion of race.

1. Discrimination is bad. 2. Minorities have faced discrimination the most. 3. Let's discriminate against Whites/Asians to correct #2, even though we accept the truth of #1. I don't get this thought process at all..."lets fight discrimination with more discrimination!"

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Post by usaar333 »

whatyoucantsay wrote: post #165

The article mentions that there was a hiring freeze of white and Asian candidates and shows in a demographic breakdown that 56% of its employees are white. The US is 76.9% of the US "white alone" according to its Census data. The corresponding figure for California is 72.7%. It's interesting that YouTube (allegedly) made the decision to freeze hires of a racial group already underrepresented and that the text of the…

"white alone" includes Hispanic. You need to read "white alone, not Hispanic".

Anyway, going by https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanmateocountyc...

San Mateo County is:

40% white alone

29% Asian alone

From that data alone, whites could actually be more over-represented than Asians. (I stress could because you need per-site info to conclude anything)

Regardless, I don't see evidence that whites are underrepresented.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by oceanghost »

pasabagi wrote: post #170
throwaway0255 wrote: post #158

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Tell that to the white and asian males who get rejected on the basis of their race and gender despite having worked their entire lives to be the most qualified and technically adept candidate. I'm pretty sure impostor syndrome is a problem they would love to have. Instead they got the entire course of their careers (and lives) stepped on by bigoted racists and sexists. I know your comment has to be the top one becaus…

I think I'd settle for having a proportionate amount of the conversation being about discrimination against white men. So, perhaps, for every thousand comments about discrimination against other groups, we could include a word or two. I am a white man - I have never to my knowledge been meaningfully discriminated against. I think only a fool would suggest that if I was black, or a woman, I could say that - or even sa…

In the most ironic statement possible... as a white man, I once was told, "We're only hiring women and niggers."

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Post by spicymaki »

alphabettsy wrote: post #125
titanix2 wrote: post #111

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I read more than once on diversity related posts or comments that East-Asian are considered privileged or even... white. That shows the real motive is not the one stated. This diversity stuff is a power game used by some minorities go get some advantages for themselves. They do not care about the minorities that can achieve things by themselves, with education and hard work.

By which minorities and to achieve what?

The comment is divisive and conspiratorial. The strategy is to create more division among groups and reduce trust.

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Post by ghostcluster »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #115
wycs wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then company X gets rightfully trounced by a Chinese firm 5 years from now which does not share our ridiculous racial taboos. Some crimes are self policing.

No company ever got trounced because they followed the prevailing political winds. Let's face it: the top tech companies have sufficient applicants, so they can choose whoever they want, and most jobs are drone jobs.

> Management techniques in NASA, the report said, discouraged dissenting views on safety issues and ultimately created “blind spots” about the risk to the space shuttle of the foam insulation impact.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3077541/ns/technology_and_science-...

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by tbrownaw »

stcredzero wrote: post #143
wqnt wrote: post #101

I remember back in college when I applied for a job in a multi-national company, I didn't get a math screening quiz that applicants from outside of United States had to take. The quiz was pretty easy middle school math that would take 15 minutes to complete. It turns out that the reason is that screening for basic math competency could be discrimination, because it reduces the chance of hiring for minorities who do l…

It turns out that the reason is that screening for basic math competency could be discrimination, because it reduces the chance of hiring for minorities who do less well at math testing. If it genuinely screens for basic math, then there's nothing racist about it. artificially discriminate in the opposite direction and suppress valid criteria that are statistically unfavorable to minorities. Eroding meritocracy is ul…

If it genuinely screens for basic math, then there's nothing racist about it.

But you can still be challenged to prove in court that it's not only not directly racist, but also actually useful and related to the job requirements. Which can get expensive.

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Post by [deleted] »

ignoramceisblis wrote: post #178
ghostcluster wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note, this lawsuit is being brought by former Google recruiters who say they were ordered to "purge" certain groups from the interview queue. > YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. I'd like to remind people of what Denise Young Smit…

What seems to be going on, I think, is largely a one-sided story. There are many people with bullhorns who speak, for whatever reasons, but who seem to go largely unchallenged. Whether that's due to unawareness, lack of critical thought, laziness, or perceived distance (e.g. "I think things are still fine with me; I can't or don't see how this could affect me."), I can't say for certain, but I imagine many people are…

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Post by wutbrodo »

oceanghost wrote: post #184
pasabagi wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I'd settle for having a proportionate amount of the conversation being about discrimination against white men. So, perhaps, for every thousand comments about discrimination against other groups, we could include a word or two. I am a white man - I have never to my knowledge been meaningfully discriminated against. I think only a fool would suggest that if I was black, or a woman, I could say that - or even sa…

In the most ironic statement possible... as a white man, I once was told, "We're only hiring women and niggers."

Did this actually happen to you? Out of curiosity, in what time period and industry? I only ask because I imagine that even the most racist HR person in the world would know to show more discretion.

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Post by wutbrodo »

ghostcluster wrote: post #123
majos wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Unfortunately, lazy fixes at clear and prominent decision points are much easier than removing hurdles in, say, the early childhood education system.

This goes beyond a lazy fix. According to another HN commenter here: > under Title VII, the federal antidiscrimination law, employers aren’t allowed to make hiring decisions based on race and gender among other protected classes. The former veteran Google recruiters behind this suit are claiming they were 'instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” t…

The fact that it's illegal doesn't make it any less lazy.
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