I'm confused, does the switch from HFS+ to APFS happen when the upgrade happens, or is it a separate step you do or not do later? My macs are on rotating HDs, sounds like some of the problems are with this.
Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout
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What about folks who continue to use older hardware? This is a problem with the manufacturer, that doesn’t backport security fixes to older OS versions.
It’s a sign that we are still in the software dark ages when security is so poor that a continuous stream of patches is the only way to stay safe.
So... what's the alternative? How do you address security vulnerabilities without pushing out a change in the code that patches the vulnerability?
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> I know it's going to be unbearably slow … It's apparently a bit slower[1], but fine. And iOS 11 will see more optimization love in subsequent update. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/ios-11-on-the-iphone...
It's still completely illogical to install an update just to wait for another update to fix the problems introduced by the first update.
For sure, and I don't personally recommend that anyone jump on a dot-0 release of anything. But Apple aggressively attacks dot-0 bugs — iOS 11 is already at 11.1.2[1], and I'm running an 11.2 dev release that's been nicely boring for me.
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And it is a flat wave :) Every time something improves something else gets worse. Except in Linux and maybe mobile OSes. Latest Android or iOS is objectively better, even with things that regressed.
Linux has had its share of regressions: KDE 3-> KDE 4 and the accompanying destructions of amazing apps like Amarok 1.4. Gnome 2 -> Gnome 3. The period where Ubuntu tried to replace everything with half-baked Mono apps, etc.
I guess it just depends. I never use any of that. i3wm hides whatever current mess there is in Linux GUI land for me quite nicely.
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If you keep enough media on your phone so that free space < space required for iOS update, it won't be able to download the update or nag you about it. If it has already downloaded an update, delete it manually, then copy more media to your device.
But that would be detrimental to the performance of an SSD, no?
Not sure, does Apple overprovision iDevice SSDs to save the user from manually managing free space? iOS11 update is around 2GB, so 1.9GB free space will be enough to block the download.
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#186I'm confused, does the switch from HFS+ to APFS happen when the upgrade happens, or is it a separate step you do or not do later? My macs are on rotating HDs, sounds like some of the problems are with this.
It happens automatically as a part of the upgrade.
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#187Joke's on them! I'm still using Mountain Lion!
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a 6s and regret upgrading to 11. Slow and unstable. Frankly I don’t do enough sketchy crap on the phone to care about security updates as much as I’m supposed to.
It always amazes me how subjective adjectives like "slow" and "unstable" are when referring to software. I too have a 6s (plus), and iOS 11 has been just as fast and stable as iOS 10 in my experience. This kind of disparity makes a lot of sense in the PC world, where everyone has slightly different hardware. I can't quite figure out why it's still common on a platform where there is relatively no hardware variation.
I mean if I had devices side by side of different OSes, I’m confident I could measure it. Time to open applications, like the phone dialer and messages, is noticeably slower than ever before for me. Another issue is that now when I open my recent calls, it shows a cached image of its last state for a few seconds before it refreshes with the most recent state. Unfortunately, in those few seconds, I usually already clicked the contact I wanted to call back, only to see the screen refresh after my click and find out I’m calling someone I did not mean to call. This is the same annoying way that Safari treats the back button, but I’m sad to see that pattern creep into other apps. I’d rather see a loading screen than a false view.
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Well considering corporations aren't sentient beings and are made up of these employees it's the same thing.
No, it's the difference between the company being relevant to the market, and the employees being relevant to the company. That isn't the same thing.
but corporations are people.
It's still about people being relevant to people. Just internally instead of externally.
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#190I'm confused, does the switch from HFS+ to APFS happen when the upgrade happens, or is it a separate step you do or not do later? My macs are on rotating HDs, sounds like some of the problems are with this.
It happens automatically as a part of the upgrade.
http://osxdaily.com/2017/10/17/how-skip-apfs-macos-high-sier...
According to this, SSDs are converted automatically, HDDs are left at HFS+, and with some command line magic you can get the installer to not convert SSDs.