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Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days. A friend I grew up wit…

> Each time, potentially being cut down. Drug potency follows something like an S-curve. As enforcement increases a drug will get increasingly stepped on, until the purity is low enough that the drug gets replaced with a more potent analog. Consumer Reports wrote about this in their guide to drugs from the 70s.

> Consumer Reports . . . guide to drugs

Whoa. Care to further elaborate?

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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The greatest argument against the death penalty is that it's not applied to the people that deserve it the most. Not only did the pharmaceutical industry earn billions by pushing addictive opioids to people but they also charge people up the nose for the injections they need after they OD'ed because they got addicted. People are still getting filthy rich literally over other people's deaths. In the name of health.

I know a lot of people love capitalism here and I think it works pretty great if you apply it to a lot of markets. But health isn't something that can be regulated by capitalism.

You can buy the new iPhone or you don't. It's a decision. You can make a stupid decision and buy it while you really should feed your kids instead but it's still a decision.

Health issues are not. Nobody decides to have cancer next year because this year things look a bit uncertain at work right now. It just hits you.

Free markets only work when somebody is free to decide.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Talk to the leader of any emergency room staff and this is how it works in most cities.

Another reason to charge more for working in a big city, since smaller rural cities don’t have this problem as much - like the middle of nowhere in Montana versus Seattle.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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post #182

The greatest argument against the death penalty is that it's not applied to the people that deserve it the most. Not only did the pharmaceutical industry earn billions by pushing addictive opioids to people but they also charge people up the nose for the injections they need after they OD'ed because they got addicted. People are still getting filthy rich literally over other people's deaths. In the name of health. I…

Can chose to not use heroin and other drugs - like most of society had informed you - and there is infinite amount of data available to anyone looking.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Just the other morning I got off of bart in downtown Oakland, 12th street and there was a guy just laid out, unresponsive right on the steps outside the station. He had smoked something out of a can. I stuck with the guy while the paramedics came, but the most tragic part was that he had a plastic "No Allergies" bracelet on. When the paramedics took off his shirt he still had adhesive on his skin from the EKG straps…

Opiate ODs are given naloxone in hospital. It's really effective but they feel like shit. If it's still in their system when they leave, and they try to use, they're more likely to double-dose to get the feeling back. The problem with opiates (esp in the US) is they ones that are available are too strong and completely unforgiving. Fentanyl is an elephant gun but it's supplanting heroin on streets due to its prevalen…

That sounds like a really complicated issue without a clear solution and no benefit to whoever solves it.

By comparison I think it would be easier to make a self driving car or automated robot that does most of what a heroin addict does.

Sounds terrible don’t care I’m out of sympathy for addicts in society.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

#186

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Some sources on this? I’d love to read more.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/25/against-rat-park/ has links, e.g.: http://sci-hub.io/10.2466/pr0.1996.78.2.391 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2616610 But there are other studies linked that seem to confirm it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3696469 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18463628 Not sure where that leaves us.

Makes the guy who brought up sources look stupid

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

#187

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> Each time, potentially being cut down. Drug potency follows something like an S-curve. As enforcement increases a drug will get increasingly stepped on, until the purity is low enough that the drug gets replaced with a more potent analog. Consumer Reports wrote about this in their guide to drugs from the 70s.

> Consumer Reports . . . guide to drugs Whoa. Care to further elaborate?

It’s free online: The Consumer Union guide to licit and illicit substances.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

#188

> Local jails have been overrun with people locked up and in need of treatment Why. Do. People. End. Up. In. Jail. Seriously this one is beyond my comprehension - they need treatment, not jails filled with hardened criminals, rapists and probably more (and nastier) drugs than on the street.

And if a drug addict doesn't want treatment? The elephant in the room is forced intervention requires a form of imprisonment.

Just give them drugs, then. It has to be cheaper than taking them to the ER every few weeks.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

#189
post #182

The greatest argument against the death penalty is that it's not applied to the people that deserve it the most. Not only did the pharmaceutical industry earn billions by pushing addictive opioids to people but they also charge people up the nose for the injections they need after they OD'ed because they got addicted. People are still getting filthy rich literally over other people's deaths. In the name of health. I…

Can chose to not use heroin and other drugs - like most of society had informed you - and there is infinite amount of data available to anyone looking.

Now, now. Are you implying everyone is always making decisions purely intellectually with no other inputs? People make stupid decisions for stupid reasons all the time. In fact most of the time. That doesn't make it any less of a choice.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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post #182

The greatest argument against the death penalty is that it's not applied to the people that deserve it the most. Not only did the pharmaceutical industry earn billions by pushing addictive opioids to people but they also charge people up the nose for the injections they need after they OD'ed because they got addicted. People are still getting filthy rich literally over other people's deaths. In the name of health. I…

You know this problem is not really prevalent in places with legit healthcare systems, Europe amongst all ? And that we don't pop opiods to all suffering patients, ie we can allow things to hurt a bit sometimes it's not that big a deal, and it's surely better than getting hooked to stuff.

Why blame the pharmaceutical industry. Your practitionners and your patients have a problem.

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