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Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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I love facebook! I never post any selfies or personal news, but I love reading others and I like discussing politics on FB.

I'm not a like whore either. I'm pretty happy to just post and get zero likes. I wonder if anyone reads my posts? O well.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#182
There's a string of submissions critical of Facebook on HN recently. I agree and approve.

But one thing interests me: doesn't Facebook have something like that, but in reverse ? I mean updates along the lines "We need more Facebook", "Open internet is for nerds", "Why more websites need to migrate to Facebook"... ? Unless you have a Facebook account, you don't know what's going on on the other side of the barricade.

One puzzling fact - stars on github: jquery/jquery - 45k, angular/angular - 25k, facebook/react - 68k, twbs/bootstrap - 111k,

On my local job market (I live in a 500k city), react is the least popular JS framework. I keep seeing jquery and especially angular over and over. Meanwhile react, the facebookiest of JS frameworks, shows up least frequently. Yet React is the most popular JS framework and by a large margin! I suspect it's because job offers with 'react' are mostly circulated via facebook. I also see very little job offers with the 'facebook' keyword - mostly for non-technical people, like marketing, salesmen, assistants, various misc jobs.

Hypothesis: we, outside Facebook, live in our own filter bubble. We don't get the whole picture.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Maybe I'm unique in my usage of Instagram but I only follow people I know in real life or other photographers, amateur or otherwise, and they typically aren't posting sponsored content. I've only ever seen one person post sponsored content out of hundreds I follow, and it was pretty easy to unfollow them.

That's likely the difference. My wife follows people with similar interests, rather than only people she knows, so undoubtedly sees more of it.

Unfortunately it does happen. One of my coworker's mothers writes a food blog and he asked if she could follow me because she likes my photos. I said of course, and that she didn't need my permission. I followed her back out of courtesy, but then I started seeing occasional posts about "Certified Angus Steaks" and said nope. Good for her for getting money, I guess, but I don't want any of that.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Indeed. You can have a Facebook account and just... Not use it unless you need it for something. All the benefits of the 'I deleted Facebook' crowd without the downsides.

Facebook will still learn which websites you visit (provided they have the "like" widget) and what articles you read on the NYT, unless you use a good tracking blocker. So, that's one downside, I think.

I run uBlock Origin everywhere and I rarely visit Facebook anymore. But when I do, I use a private window in a different browser.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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post #182

There's a string of submissions critical of Facebook on HN recently. I agree and approve. But one thing interests me: doesn't Facebook have something like that, but in reverse ? I mean updates along the lines "We need more Facebook", "Open internet is for nerds", "Why more websites need to migrate to Facebook"... ? Unless you have a Facebook account, you don't know what's going on on the other side of the barricade.…

I really like facebook. It's nice to stay in touch with your friends, especially when abroad.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Facebook and Twitter I get, but you were being angered and stressed by Instagram? It's the only social media I actively use precisely because it's not stressful or rage inducing. I'm into photography so it gives me an outlet that way (even though taking a picture with a real camera, editing it on a computer, then sending it to my phone to post on Instagram is a bit of a pain), and the annoying content from other peop…

"Hey all, look at this amazing new thing I just got (for free from the company that sponsors me that I don't disclose)!" Maybe it's the same on the rest, but it seems there's a larger portion of it on Instagram.

I follow a lot of random people I don't know on Ig, but I actively unfollow accounts that start posting sponsored content.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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I deactivated my Facebook account several months ago, and it's been about 90% great, 10% frustrating. It's great for all the obvious reasons (less timesuck, less compulsion to endlessly scroll your life away, no notification interruptions). The frustrations are real, though. Primarily it's around events and photos. There are some communities I participate in that regularly organize events through Facebook, and now I…

I'm not sure why it has to be deactivated though. I've had a FB account for a long time and maybe check it once every few days if that. My main use case is to upload shared photos. I would prefer everyone use Google Photos, but that hasn't happened yet.

for whatever reason, I have a mental hang up about just checking once every few days or something. I'm incapable ofjust ignoring communications that I get. De-activating is much, much simpler for me.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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post #182

There's a string of submissions critical of Facebook on HN recently. I agree and approve. But one thing interests me: doesn't Facebook have something like that, but in reverse ? I mean updates along the lines "We need more Facebook", "Open internet is for nerds", "Why more websites need to migrate to Facebook"... ? Unless you have a Facebook account, you don't know what's going on on the other side of the barricade.…

> doesn't Facebook have something like that, but in reverse?

Probably not. Your hypothetical headlines look like a parody.

Also, I don't understand your comparison of jQuery and React. That really has nothing to do with Facebook being a walled garden or an attack on the open web.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#189

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I do this as well. No app on my phone (including messenger) and I purposely only use the site in one browser on one device (Safari on my Macbook), and only check it maybe once per day. Added bonus is that Facebook isn't getting all of that tracking cookie info from me (or at least not as easily) since I don't use Safari for anything else.

I do the same thing (but more than once a day; sigh), but I still see creepy tracking ads. Recently I saw ads on FB for an item that my wife had been shopping for on a different computer. I'd be curious to know how they're making this connection — based on IP address, or using something like Drawbridge? https://www.drawbridge.com/

Oh I'm sure they've got plenty of info on me and have their ways of collecting more. I used Facebook pretty regularly from 2005 to 2013 or so, so they know stuff about me I've long since forgotten (as evidenced by looking at some of my old posts from college...yeesh, don't ever do that unless you want to be embarrassed about what the you of 10 years ago was like).

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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post #182

There's a string of submissions critical of Facebook on HN recently. I agree and approve. But one thing interests me: doesn't Facebook have something like that, but in reverse ? I mean updates along the lines "We need more Facebook", "Open internet is for nerds", "Why more websites need to migrate to Facebook"... ? Unless you have a Facebook account, you don't know what's going on on the other side of the barricade.…

I really like facebook. It's nice to stay in touch with your friends, especially when abroad.

Facebook is really nice for many usecases.

But it could be way more open without ruining those usecases. It is just so hostile to non-facebook users.

The primary example being the one cited in the article: The only reason to block 1/3 of a page to nonlogged in users is to convince you to either sign up or log in. There is no user-based reason to do so.

That is open-web hostile.

There is no need to make the all the content non-searchable, except to convince you to log in and search locally.

That is open-web hostile.

I used to think Google was bad for its intrusive "No really, you should log-in" campaigns, but facebook makes Google look so reasonable on this score.

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