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Canada is North America’s up-and-coming startup center

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Post by happyrock »

tensor wrote: post #128
adventured wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a story equivalent to that on the front page every few weeks for the last five years that I've been reading HN. I attribute it to some kind of watch-goliath-fall fantasy. That has been amplified dramatically since Trump got elected. Since then, a couple dozen countries are now supposedly candidates to swipe a lot of tech talent away from the US. Nothing will come of it; even more high-skilled talent wi…

This sort of arrogance only hurts you.

What's "arrogant" about it?

Re: Canada is North America’s up-and-coming startup center

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Post by shamaku »

ganfortran wrote: post #34
hughes wrote: post #27

This article doesn't mention one of the major reasons for talent leaving Canada: if you work there, you need to stomach a 50% pay cut in average salaries vs the US. This is true pretty much across the board regardless of tech niche on the 2017 Stack Overflow Developer Survey[1]: Machine learning specialist: US 108k, Canada 53k (49%) Embedded applications/devices developer: US 100k, Canada 53k (53%) Systems administra…

Well if you cannot stay in US, going to Canada is better than nothing. Trump says it all.

Trump says what exactly that affects the bottom line? It's business as usual for the cabal. Wake up. Trump just be trumping.

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Post by bobdole1234 »

hueving wrote: post #167
bootload wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The gap here is smaller ($30k vs. $50k) but still significant." Healthcare, stability and democracy (sans land/house prices) make up a lot for this.

>Healthcare, stability and democracy Healthcare: We're talking about tech jobs. The healthcare coverage you will get from any tech company paying 6 figures is going to be essentially zero cost full coverage. Stability: I have no idea what you are even talking about here, but it would be pretty hard to refer to the US as unstable from the perspective of someone working in a tech job. I suspect you pay too much attenti…

cough Trump cough

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Post by refurb »

acchow wrote: post #122
eloff wrote: post #64

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Yes, that more or less sums it up. Plus you have fewer job opportunities and career mobility as well as higher taxes and rapidly rising real-estate prices in both Vancouver and Toronto. I think Canadian software engineers are crazy to stay in Canada. I'm a Canadian software engineer living in Canada, but I'd never consider working for a Canadian or US company here and earning Canadian dollars - it just makes no sense…

as well as higher taxes and rapidly rising real-estate prices in both Vancouver and Toronto Taxes are lower in Ontario than California for most people.

Income taxes (maybe). Not VAT, gasoline or alcohol taxes, just to name a few.

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Post by rpeden »

totony wrote: post #124
tostitos1979 wrote: post #110

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If salaries and housing prices in Canada were at all reasonable, I know many fellow Canadians would move back from the Bay area in an instant. Toronto is the other major tech center which is stupidly priced (hopefully the new govt measures slow things down). If you can speak french, consider Montreal.

Be mindful that there is (mostly) terrible weather everywhere in Canada except in Ontario/South BC(Vancouver)

Depends on your definition of terrible, I suppose. I never feel more alive than when I go for a walk on a crisp, sunny -20 degree morning. I used to get mornings like that quite often in Ottawa, and I've missed them the past couple of years in Toronto.

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Post by guyzero »

acchow wrote: post #65
adventured wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a story equivalent to that on the front page every few weeks for the last five years that I've been reading HN. I attribute it to some kind of watch-goliath-fall fantasy. That has been amplified dramatically since Trump got elected. Since then, a couple dozen countries are now supposedly candidates to swipe a lot of tech talent away from the US. Nothing will come of it; even more high-skilled talent wi…

Cities that are commonly touted as the "next silicon valley": - Berlin - Toronto-Waterloo - London - Vancouver - Shenzhen - Chicago

How could you forget Ottawa? It was Silicon Valley North for years before Waterloo or Toronto even were on the map.

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Post by hospes »

hueving wrote: post #167
bootload wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The gap here is smaller ($30k vs. $50k) but still significant." Healthcare, stability and democracy (sans land/house prices) make up a lot for this.

>Healthcare, stability and democracy Healthcare: We're talking about tech jobs. The healthcare coverage you will get from any tech company paying 6 figures is going to be essentially zero cost full coverage. Stability: I have no idea what you are even talking about here, but it would be pretty hard to refer to the US as unstable from the perspective of someone working in a tech job. I suspect you pay too much attenti…

>> Healthcare: We're talking about tech jobs. The healthcare coverage you will get from any tech company paying 6 figures is going to be essentially zero cost full coverage.

This is not always the case, especially for small startups. I know engineers who make 6 figures in small startups and pay $1K a month for Health insurance for family of 2 young people.

>> Stability.

I think what OP refers to is stability of financial markets. Canada does not have major financial crisis every decade or so, that wipes out half of your 401K and real estate value.

>> Democracy: again, what is this even referring to? The fact that the US is a republic? That's a pretty weak argument when comparing to a monarchy.

Canada is not monarchy, it is "Federal parliamentary representative democracy under a constitutional monarchy", so essentially Canada has parliamentary form of government. Also per my understanding they do not have electoral college. US has wired and extremely complex election system. In last elections Democratic candidate received 3M more votes, yet she lost election and Republicans control both House and Senate. Similarly Al Gore lost elections to Bush.

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Post by forkLding »

ed_balls wrote: post #174

> Many household names, such as Slack, Hootsuite and Shopify — which may be mistakenly considered as U.S. products — hail from north of the border. They are Delaware corporations, aren't they?

Not essentially, everyone registers as Delaware for tax benefits. So did we but we're situated in Toronto.

Also you could be sarcastic, hard to tell.

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Post by JBReefer »

anentropic wrote: post #176
jmknoll wrote: post #173

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Not OP, but some thoughts on these cities: Berlin - startup capital of Europe. Strong education system, low cost of living, dev salaries are held down by immigration from, and proximity to, Eastern Europe. Possible synergy with German automotive and manufacturing industries. Shenzhen: global manufacturing hub, access to Chinese-speaking World. Major support from Chinese government. Possible synergy with supply chain,…

small population?

It has a smaller metro population than Shenzen, LA, etc. It's a big city, but a small gigacity.
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