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Post by brangalina4eva »

xd360 wrote: post #61
tech_browser wrote: post #50

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Most religions claim that God is a person and maintain that God created the universe, thereby making God and the universe two separate entities. Further, religion and philosophy are also mixed up. "God in heaven", "Good actions give heaven and bad ones yield hell" etc. are some statements that we often hear. The distinguishing teaching about the Upanishads is that 1. God is not a person 2. The universe, as we perceiv…

THIS. Everything that you have said here, I completely believe in that too. If one observes the world and tries to find a pattern in it, the findings will align with this theory. Would you please share in which teachings exactly did you read about this. I mean specifically about the one where they state that God is the universe itself and not a person who is different from it. Was it the Upanishads? Is there some spe…

Osho, Taoism...

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Post by szemet »

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It is a cultural thing / mentality coming from the enlightenment (in the western sense;) (and for me this is one of the most important legacy of enlightenment): EVERY ideology is (should be) open for criticism

More criticism, more open discussion leads to more (or at least more educated) freedom of choice.

This, of course, may cause bad feelings in the devoted adherents, but that's a price I happily pay! This critical - "no sacred cow" - mentality have done a lot good to the society, and I definitely would not like to live in pre-enlightment times/places.

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Post by placebo »

problems wrote: post #143
placebo wrote: post #141

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I assume you trust logic and empirical tests. Here's something that is both repeatable, and as empirical as it gets. Consider every instance of knowing anything "objectively". You will notice that consistently it is always first and foremost a subjective experience. You can't get around it. Thought is very quick to dissect, categorise, extrapolate etc. and then you create a division of the thinker, which you take to…

They say they're free from suffering, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but they can't tell me how to repeat that in a way I can reproduce for myself. Which is my entire point. Maybe something worked for them, but won't work for me or vice versa. Results that can't be replicated and aren't predictive aren't really results at all. Not in a logical or meaningful way. They're just claims. Bizarre and baseless claims.

> They say they're free from suffering, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but they can't tell me how to repeat that in a way I can reproduce for myself.

If that were true, I'd take the same position as you do, but the good ones never tell you to trust them. In fact they insist that you look for yourself with brutal honesty and never trust any guru on their word. In fact, I see their conduct as the epitome of the scientific method, only directed at understanding what's at the core of the subjective experience. What experiments have you tried so far to claim that these are bizarre and baseless claims?

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Post by brangalina4eva »

blueprint wrote: post #113

Of course I'm going to get flamed for this but this guy has written a bunch of nonsense. "Love and emptiness cannot abide together; when there is the feeling of loneliness, love is not. " 1. Emptiness is not the same thing as loneliness. 2. If you feel anything bad while you think you feel empty then that's not actual emptiness. 3. When you practice true love for others it makes you lonely because it makes everyone a…

> The only reason I can give the correct definition while Krishnamurti could not is that I learned it from someone who actually knew and could verify his answers.

Do you honestly believe what you wrote? What blathering nonsense.

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Post by mr_pink »

paolomaffei wrote: post #120
mr_pink wrote: post #114

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Eh, could say the same about anything. Replace self with Love, God, Satan, etc.

Precisely, ultimately everything is empty.

It's all smoke and mirrors, we're just a hologram: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

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Post by hi41 »

problems wrote: post #82

How does "spiritual" junk like this get on the hackernews front page? Does a substantial portion of the readership follow woo like this? I think it's time to do some bayesian filtering or something.

It goes to show that there are a lot of Indians with H1-B liking such mystic writings and skewing the ranking on hn. Trump is right; H1-B overuse is messing up everything - our country and hn. How sad.

The above paragraph was a joke. Please don't flame at me.

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Post by Nomentatus »

mixermf wrote: post #177
Nomentatus wrote: post #176

There are many wonderful spiritual texts. This is blather. Most primates experience loneliness because, in the wild, they can't survive long alone, much less breed. The best you can say for this text is that it gives the readers extra heads, a pejorative Zen phrase meaning that it provides readers with an intellectual illusion of understanding that will delay genuine understanding even if they do meditate. I'm very w…

> I'm very willing to assent to the idea that spiritual masters experience less loneliness Chogyam Trunpga, founder of the Shambhala Buddhist tradition, said "Egolessness is a concept, a philosophy, but loneliness is a reality that you experience. A feeling of loneliness is part of the journey. As for me, I feel that way constantly, and I think it's a very healthy feeling, a very real feeling." https://books.google.c…

I should probably said less acutely or differently, Zen speaks of a kind of wistfulness-about-the-world that pervades the enlightened (word.)

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Post by vamega »

throw_rv wrote: post #54
athyuttamre wrote: post #25

Interesting to see JK on HN. I went to the first boarding school he founded, Rishi Valley, in southern India. Certainly the most transformative part of my life, although we weren't exposed to much of his philosophy. He also founded the Oak Grove School in Ojai, California.

Was waiting to see rvites join this thread. 2 in so far! (We meet on HN again atty.)

Well, I guess I make three then.

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Post by vikiomega9 »

andrepd wrote: post #89
quakeguy wrote: post #67

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All you touch, and all you see is all your life will ever be. -Pink Floyd, TdSotM

Hmm. What do you reckon is the meaning of this line?

I thought it meant a helplessness given a mental illness, going by the theme of the song.
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