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Earlier quoted context omitted.

a lot of this stuff just devolves into sex scandals. fame and fortune and all that.

what relevance does his personal life have to do with anything?

Can you completely disentangle an individual's spiritual/religious/philosophical teachings from their personal lives?

For example, would you assign the same credibility to the teachings delivered by a Catholic priest who has been proven to have molested children?

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post #19

I am very curious about what people on HN do think about 1.OSHO 2.Sadhguru

Sadhguru is okay but I personally wouldn't take him as a template for my own path.

I find that Buddhist teachers tend to hold greater depth of teaching.

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post #3

Hugged to death. Anyone have a cached copy?

I haven't seen the site from the link at the time it was accessible, but analyzing the link it seems the site contained the text of the book "Commentaries on Living" by Jiddu Krishnamurti:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentaries_on_Living

Moreover, it probably linked to the chapter "Loneliness" from the first book, which can be found online in various forms, including on this nice site (Chapter 42 `Loneliness'):

http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-tex...

Also see my other comment here for the context.

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post #10

As with all enlightened superstar spiritual teachers, just don't look his life too closely or you will be disappointed. Even people who start good and their feet on the ground (like Krishnamurti) end up full of shit when they get too much wrong kind of attention. https://tricycle.org/magazine/the-shadow-side-krishnamurti/ “If you want to lose your religion, make friends with the priest.” As someone who's second caree…

>“If you want to lose your religion, make friends with the priest.”

Sounds quite puritanical a view.

Even if we consider Christianity, a priest can and will be (or have been) as flawed as any man, including even a hypocrite, greedy, murderer or worse, and even all kinds of original Christian doctrine (except the BS about the Pope being some kind of super-saint) agrees with that. Heck, the very first person believed to go to heaven in the Christian faith was the murdered/thief/etc next to Christ on the cross.

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Interesting to see JK on HN. I went to the first boarding school he founded, Rishi Valley, in southern India. Certainly the most transformative part of my life, although we weren't exposed to much of his philosophy. He also founded the Oak Grove School in Ojai, California.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

what relevance does his personal life have to do with anything?

Can you completely disentangle an individual's spiritual/religious/philosophical teachings from their personal lives? For example, would you assign the same credibility to the teachings delivered by a Catholic priest who has been proven to have molested children?

Not completely, but somewhat, yes. Gandhi is a terrible example of how to be a husband, but he nevertheless managed to teach nonviolent protest and help liberate a country. MLK also did some philandering, but it doesn't detract from what he did for civil rights. It's easy to be dismissive of a cardboard priest, but if you had an actual human in mind, it would become less black and white.

If you need your spiritual, religious, philosophical leader to be pure as the driven snow, you're going to get some pretty inhuman advice from your leader. Most of us have faults and things we struggle with. If someone doesn't, how do they relate, how do they help?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

what relevance does his personal life have to do with anything?

Can you completely disentangle an individual's spiritual/religious/philosophical teachings from their personal lives? For example, would you assign the same credibility to the teachings delivered by a Catholic priest who has been proven to have molested children?

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Re: On Loneliness

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post #10

As with all enlightened superstar spiritual teachers, just don't look his life too closely or you will be disappointed. Even people who start good and their feet on the ground (like Krishnamurti) end up full of shit when they get too much wrong kind of attention. https://tricycle.org/magazine/the-shadow-side-krishnamurti/ “If you want to lose your religion, make friends with the priest.” As someone who's second caree…

I am aware of all of his "scandals", but there never is any hypocrisy on his behalf. If some follower wants to put him on a pedestal, that's the follower's fault. JK voluntarily tried to give up his fame by the Dissolution of the order of the star.

Yes. The story of him dissolving the Order of the Star is marvelous:

http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/about-krishnamurti/dissolution-...

"The Order of the Star in the East was founded in 1911 to proclaim the coming of the World Teacher. Krishnamurti was made Head of the Order. On August 3, 1929, the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, Holland, Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members."

""I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path.""

His speech was filmed and available to everybody:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYnxRYAHmEs&t=11s

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