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EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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You'll have to enlighten me as to my own thoughts!

I suggest you read mynameisvlad's comment, or a dictionary.

I'm still not following. What exactly do YOU think a republic is? What you think I think a republic is? Why? Where are the two ideas diverging?

Edit: I'm serious, the value of "democracy" over any other term is unclear if it doesn't refer to something specific.

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Horrible comic and completely misses the point. Trump was voted in by coal miners. Coal Miners whose jobs have been slipping away and towns devastated by the "Heroin Epidemic" https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/white-death... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-h... Continuing to ignore rural America will only make them more angry and continue to vote in assholes like Trump. Clint…

These jobs are not coming back, period. But the social issues do merit addressing

There is some argument here that the coal jobs being proposed are related to "clean coal tech" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_coal_technology). Given that most of our energy comes from coal in this country, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that those jobs could be created in this sector.

Judging from the research, the approach for sequestering is quite expensive. In addition, pumping CO2 into subsurface layers of the earth only increases the risks of leaks.

Basically, this is probably where the industry is headed and some states are probably going to go full board with this approach while others will pursue renewables.

I will say, despite the issues I've seen regarding climate change denial - it is promising to hear the use of "clean coal" tech, as much as I cringe hearing it. Seems to imply that there is at least some level of concern for the environment - rather than none at all.

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An official at EPA who worked under Obama isn't buying into this hysteria. > Longtime employees at three of the agencies — including some career environmental regulators who conceded that they remained worried about what President Trump might do on policy matters — said such orders were not much different from those delivered by the Obama administration as it shifted policies from the departing White House of George…

The reality is that the people coming in at the top of the Trump administration don't yet know what they are doing, and the mid-level staff who usually handle all the details are mostly not hired yet; they're behind schedule on filling those roles.

So I think it's plausible that they are mostly just trying to slow the federal machine down a lot, to make it easier for them, as understaffed newbies, to understand and manage.

That said, demanding that the government collect, use, and freely communicate accurate scientific knowledge seems idempotent: you will always get a positive result from doing it.

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These jobs are not coming back, period. But the social issues do merit addressing

> These jobs are not coming back, period. Yeah, but that's not a winning message to the Coal Miners. Trump's fake promises won them over.

These jobs might actually come back, but the cost for upgrading coal plants to use modern techniques like chemical looping make it a bit unviable at the moment (or maybe not I'm not sure). If we ever got a carbon tax in place, then the market could sort itself out in that regard.

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It's absolutely horrifying what's going on in the United States. Trying to dictate what are appropriate avenues of investigation for practicing scientists is a hallmark of authoritarian regimes (see "Deutsch Physiks" in Nazi Germany or Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union).

When you combine this with Drumpf's bigoted, Islamophobic and un-American executive order aimed at banning Muslims from the country (which substantially increases the likelihood of another terrorist attack, by marginalizing Muslims and playing right into the hands of ISIS), it becomes very clear we are facing one of the darkest times in the history of this republic.

For the sake of the world, every decent person who believes in human rights must do everything in their power to resist this tyrannical and illegitimate President. It could very well mean being imprisoned or beaten or even killed by Drumpf's thugs. But if history has taught us anything it is that freedom is worth fighting for.

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This is how you get the Roman/Parisian mobs that were the downfall of the Roman and French Republics. All you have to do is promise the mob everything and they'll give you the support to suppress the provinces. The Founders had the Roman example to draw on, as well as Venice's devolution into an urban oligarchy.

With the electoral college al you have to do is appeal to the mob in the swing states. Then you give that select group of voting Americans the ability to suppress the rest of the population. How is that any better?

These things aren't static- the South (and the major religions) used to be solidly Democrat, California gave us Reagan, etc. This changed in my lifetime and I'm not that old. You start taking your base for granted,you end up wondering how you lost.

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All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

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It feels like such a strange time to be alive. Even if you disagree with the concept of man-made climate change the distortion of scientific studies seems like something that everybody can agree is wrong. So much of science is funded by govt grants. The idea that everything must conform to the view of the current administration or it is not worth funding seems dangerous and economically limiting.

I don't think many people disagree that climate change exists. What's debated is what the proper solution is. Throwing public money necessarily diverts private resources. Who is to say gov't has a better solution? Would you really trust a bureaucratic monopoly led by Trump to come up with the best policy for energy? I don't think gov't should be in charge of picking favorites with regulations and grants.

Well depends on your definition of many. Seems like 35% of Americans dont believe climate change is man made. So I don't think this can be framed as just a debate between people wanting public vs private counter measures. There is also still a very large group of people (including many in the Trump administration) that are skeptical of the whole concept.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/190010/concern-global-warming-eig...

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I suggest you read mynameisvlad's comment, or a dictionary.

I'm still not following. What exactly do YOU think a republic is? What you think I think a republic is? Why? Where are the two ideas diverging? Edit: I'm serious, the value of "democracy" over any other term is unclear if it doesn't refer to something specific.

Democracy is the people rule themselves through voting. Democracy comes in two flavors. Direct democracy is where the people vote on the laws directly. Indirect or representative democracy is where the the people elect representatives to vote on laws for them.

A republic is a government without a king. The United States, Germany, France, and India are examples of democracies that are republics (also known as democratic republics). Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and Spain are examples of democracies that are not republics, as they all have a king. All of these are indirect democracies.

An example of a non-democratic republic would be North Korea.

An example of a country that is neither democratic, nor a republic, would be Saudi Arabia.

BONUS ANSWER!

Some countries have powers devolved to independent subnational governments. This system is called federalism. The opposite is a unitary state. The United States and Canada are both federal democracies, while France and Spain are not. (And to reiterate on the previous point: The United States and France are both republics, while Canada and Spain are not.)

Seriously, we went over this stuff in 5th grade social studies. People only unlearn this stuff when it becomes politically convenient to unlearn it.

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Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now. I think splitting hairs over the term is unnecessary. I'm sure there are people who believe earth's climate has always been the same but they are probably very few. The most popular position among climate change deniers, as far as I know, is that this chang…

"Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous

I didn't knew that the change was in les than 200 hundred years, do you have any link to papers showing such unprecedented quick change?
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