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EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by _m8fo »

dragontamer wrote: post #29
_m8fo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you even talking about? 1. I completely understand that coal miners are literally losing their jobs. 2. I understand that Trump was voted in by coal miners. 3. I didn't mention Clinton, like, at all.

Clinton was the only hope at defeating Trump. I cast my vote multiple times against Trump (in the primaries AND in the final election). I am personally outraged that Trump won this election. In any case, Clinton's failure to rally rural America to her side cost her the election. She tried of course. In any case, you gotta offer something to the Coal Miners. They're not stupid ya know. They know that pro-environmental…

Trust me, I'm pretty mad that Trump won. However, your post seems to be a tangent from the point I was making in the grandparent post.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by dragontamer »

raverbashing wrote: post #21
dragontamer wrote: post #10

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Horrible comic and completely misses the point. Trump was voted in by coal miners. Coal Miners whose jobs have been slipping away and towns devastated by the "Heroin Epidemic" https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/white-death... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-h... Continuing to ignore rural America will only make them more angry and continue to vote in assholes like Trump. Clint…

These jobs are not coming back, period. But the social issues do merit addressing

> These jobs are not coming back, period.

Yeah, but that's not a winning message to the Coal Miners. Trump's fake promises won them over.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

#43

Post by nerfhammer »

res0nat0r wrote: post #27
_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

> What exactly is he afraid that'll happen? Regulations on the corporate donors and friends of his that can't trash the environment as much as they'd like and hinder their profits.

If you ever meet one of these people, their thesis is usually that that "liberals" think climate change is real, therefore climate change must be false.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by notarealdoctor »

wklauss wrote: post #24
dragontamer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Horrible comic and completely misses the point. Trump was voted in by coal miners. Coal Miners whose jobs have been slipping away and towns devastated by the "Heroin Epidemic" https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/white-death... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-h... Continuing to ignore rural America will only make them more angry and continue to vote in assholes like Trump. Clint…

He has been a climate change denier for a long time now. I think he genuinely believes -and surrounds himself with people that believe- that climate change is a disputed fact.

Show me a photo of water side cities or homes that have changed at all in the past 100 years. Google can show you dozens whose waterlines have not changed at all.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by dragontamer »

_m8fo wrote: post #41
dragontamer wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clinton was the only hope at defeating Trump. I cast my vote multiple times against Trump (in the primaries AND in the final election). I am personally outraged that Trump won this election. In any case, Clinton's failure to rally rural America to her side cost her the election. She tried of course. In any case, you gotta offer something to the Coal Miners. They're not stupid ya know. They know that pro-environmental…

Trust me, I'm pretty mad that Trump won. However, your post seems to be a tangent from the point I was making in the grandparent post.

Don't link to bad comics then. http://www.gocomics.com/joelpett/2009/12/13/

Delete it from your post if you're unwilling to defend it.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by genericpseudo »

blazespin wrote: post #37
RKoutnik wrote: post #12

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It's worth noting that 3 million more people voted for Hillary. I wouldn't chalk this one up to a design issue, rather implementation (in this case, weighting votes by geographic region). We've submitted a patch and are waiting for enough reviewers to approve: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

The electoral college is not the problem. If we remove that, than states that lose representation they were promised when they joined should have the right to secede.

This is a bad thing how? Serious question. The US would be a much happier and healthier place if it were more like the EU.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by scrollaway »

basicplus2 wrote: post #25
cmdrfred wrote: post #9

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What other form of government do you propose?

One where one person in power, president or not, can not do pretty much what ever they like

This isn't just Trump's work, though. He can do "whatever he likes" because both houses and the senate are all red. If he changes his mind halfway through and becomes a liberal, watch him become somebody who cannot do whatever he likes.

This just makes it worse because I've seen so many people defending Trump, or adopting a "what's the worst that could happen?" attitude because they are used to a president who, for 7 years, 10 months and 2 weeks didn't have an ounce of power in congress.

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Post by twr »

daenz wrote: post #23
wklauss wrote: post #15

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> What exactly is he afraid that'll happen? [1] Why all of the resistance? He is afraid of being proved wrong. It's a very common problem with climate change deniers. Facts and figures keep piling up but they always grasp any possible alternative explanation. The longer they sustain their position, the fooler the look if they backtrack, so they tend to become more and more entrenched in their opinions. Trump just hap…

When you say he denies climate change, are you referring to climate change itself, or man made climate change? I know man made climate change deniers who fully believe in climate change. But the term "climate change denier" gets thrown around so loosely (sometimes I wonder if that's intentional), that I don't know what people are actually referring to.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838...

Edit:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/40897761692683059...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/41854213789949132...

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by wklauss »

daenz wrote: post #23
wklauss wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What exactly is he afraid that'll happen? [1] Why all of the resistance? He is afraid of being proved wrong. It's a very common problem with climate change deniers. Facts and figures keep piling up but they always grasp any possible alternative explanation. The longer they sustain their position, the fooler the look if they backtrack, so they tend to become more and more entrenched in their opinions. Trump just hap…

When you say he denies climate change, are you referring to climate change itself, or man made climate change? I know man made climate change deniers who fully believe in climate change. But the term "climate change denier" gets thrown around so loosely (sometimes I wonder if that's intentional), that I don't know what people are actually referring to.

Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now.

I think splitting hairs over the term is unnecessary. I'm sure there are people who believe earth's climate has always been the same but they are probably very few. The most popular position among climate change deniers, as far as I know, is that this changes are part of the natural cycle and humans have little or no impact.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by notarealdoctor »

dragontamer wrote: post #29
_m8fo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you even talking about? 1. I completely understand that coal miners are literally losing their jobs. 2. I understand that Trump was voted in by coal miners. 3. I didn't mention Clinton, like, at all.

Clinton was the only hope at defeating Trump. I cast my vote multiple times against Trump (in the primaries AND in the final election). I am personally outraged that Trump won this election. In any case, Clinton's failure to rally rural America to her side cost her the election. She tried of course. In any case, you gotta offer something to the Coal Miners. They're not stupid ya know. They know that pro-environmental…

Coal and the environment had nothing to do with Trump's win.
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