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Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Would have been if Intel had released a 32GB capable mobile chip that's not slower than the last generation. Probably it got delayed after the overall shape and size were set in stone, so Apple had to go with the previous gen and work a miracle. Or it was a conscious decision since this shape/size will be the base of all laptops for the next few processor generations and will be supported for the next 10 years or so.

How does the Dell XPS 15in or the Razer Blade laptops have 32gb of ram if Intel doesn't support that much? Do they use different chips in their laptops?

Because the chips aren't optimised for that much RAM they sacrifice a lot of battery life. Apple could theoretically ship these MacBook Pros with 32 gigs, but their battery life would probably be halved.

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I've been having Safari issues since I updated to Sierra. Every once in awhile Safari will peg my CPU at ~250% and brings my computer to a standstill. I took a screenshot of the activity monitor while this was going on[0]. Note that this wasn't the "Safari Web Content" process, which I typically see where there is a rogue tab doing something crazy. This was simply the Safari process itself. The only extension I have…

I'm not familiar with the activity monitor, what does 247.9% even mean?! Two cores at 100% and one at 47.9%?

This is how CPU usage has been calculated across Windows, macOS, Linux, and the BSDs practically as long as multiple cores have been a thing.

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Honestly to me the worst thing about the new MacBook Pro isn't that there are no legacy ports on it or that the battery may be smaller, it's that the new all-things-for-all-people ports it has are confusing. The ports are all Thunderbolt 3 ports, which I believe by definition means they are USB 3.1 ports as well. But some devices out in the world have USB-C ports that are not Thunderbolt 3 compatible. No longer can y…

> No longer can you tell what sort of devices will work with a port by its physical shape.

This isn't a new issue and USB-C is far, far from being the first port type to be ambiguous in this manner.

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Honestly to me the worst thing about the new MacBook Pro isn't that there are no legacy ports on it or that the battery may be smaller, it's that the new all-things-for-all-people ports it has are confusing. The ports are all Thunderbolt 3 ports, which I believe by definition means they are USB 3.1 ports as well. But some devices out in the world have USB-C ports that are not Thunderbolt 3 compatible. No longer can y…

I've gotten myself into a stupid situation where I have purchased something like 4 adapters that don't accomplish what I thought they would when I bought them. USB-C to DisplayPort -> DisplayPort to HDMI -> Monitor - doesn't work USB-C to DisplayPort -> DisplayPort to DVI-D -> Monitor - doesn't work USB-C to Ethernet - doesn't work I'm actually planning to just go to Best Buy today and try to find anything that will…

You can't expect an off-brand USB-C adapter to be able to fully support DisplayPort. USB-C does not natively contain DisplayPort. Also, don't daisy-chain adapters when you don't have to. Use a USB-C to HDMI adapter. Such as this one:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av...

Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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I've gotten myself into a stupid situation where I have purchased something like 4 adapters that don't accomplish what I thought they would when I bought them. USB-C to DisplayPort -> DisplayPort to HDMI -> Monitor - doesn't work USB-C to DisplayPort -> DisplayPort to DVI-D -> Monitor - doesn't work USB-C to Ethernet - doesn't work I'm actually planning to just go to Best Buy today and try to find anything that will…

And I suppose Apple has also made a healthy profit, either directly or through licensing on each of the purchases?

You suppose wrongly. It's clear from context that the user wasn't buying Apple adapters, and no, Apple doesn't get any licensing fees here either.

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> binding ESCAPE to Caps Lock has been an acceptable re-configuration for me as a vim user I've seen a lot of people say this but I dunno. I'm kind of leery of doing something that would cause me to develop problematic muscle memory when typing on normal keyboards, e.g. on other people's machines. I have enough trouble flipping between Mac and Windows keyboard shortcuts already.

Rebinding Ctrl to Caps Lock key was the lifechaning experience for me (I started to use Emacs for some things, and I couldn't stand using Ctrl down there). And as a matter of Vim, there are plenty of solutions to rebind exit to something like `jk` or use `Ctrl+[`.

I bind Ctrl to Alt and Alt to CapsLock so I can use my thumb to hit the remapped Ctrl next to the spacebar

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Apple is lauded for making confusing technology simple. It's not Apple's fault, it's Apple's missed opportunity and it's our high expectations of Apple that are being eroded.

This! Thing is that situation with ports and adapters has never been worse, but Apple came there, wanted to be first again that will pull the plug on old technology and embrace the new one! But their execution was a miss. But anyway, my predictions are that from 2017. every Apple machine, wether it's computer or iPhone or iPad, will go down the USB-C route. Most probably next iPhone would use USB-C. And I just hope 2…

Apple has never gone with an open standard when a proprietary closed standard would do.

More likely than using any sort of standard port would be Apple inventing yet another new proprietary port.

Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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The only complaint I really have about the new MBP is the price. MBPs have always been expensive relative to the specs, and I've always been okay with that. But it seems Apple's pushing their margins up even higher and have eliminated more affordable options (e.g., a 15" model without a discrete GPU -- I personally have no need for the GPU, but really wanted the extra screen real estate).

After Apple Care and taxes, I ended up dropping over $3k on my 2016 15" MBP. This makes it the most expensive laptop I've ever owned.

Just a few points that might be of interest:

* Battery life has legitimately been fine for me. I consistently get 8-10 hours of light work (working in the terminal and browser). Despite all the battery life complaints, this is actually the best battery life I've personally gotten on any MBP I've owned.

* I love the trackpad. It's comically large, but I adapted fast, and the palm rejection has been working really well for me.

* The Touch Bar makes sense and is well-implemented. It's not revolutionary and I wouldn't recommend getting the laptop because it has the touch bar. But it's a legitimate (if small) step forward in usability. It is not without its compromises (e.g., no physical escape key), but I've found I adapted to the compromises very quickly.

* The form factor is incredibly portable for a 15" laptop.

* The port situation isn't a big deal for me personally because I don't use this laptop as a desktop replacement and rarely have any need for the ports.

* I'm fine with the keyboard. It's very satisfyingly clicky, and I can type very fast on it, just as fast as any other keyboard. I wouldn't say I prefer it to more traditional keyboards; it's not a big deal to me either way.

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71.8 watt-hour: 2013 13" MacBook Pro [1] 49.2 watt-hour: 2016 13" MacBook Pro Touch [2] Why are so many people surprised that the battery life went down from ~10 hours down to ~7 hours? When the physical battery size is only ~70% of the previous model, it's no surprise the new MacBook Pro only gets ~7 hours of battery life. [1] https://support.apple.com/kb/sp691?locale=en_US [2] http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs…

Just speaking for myself, I'd want a 15" MBP with a 99 or 100 Wh battery even if it meant a slightly larger laptop (I'd be perfectly happy with the old unibody 15" chassis size).

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I've had mine for a week now, and have been able to use it alongside my late-2014 rMBP, which has been a solid workhorse. I'm starting to notice very subtle preferences for the 2017 model creeping in - after an hour of typing, for example, going back to the old keyboard feels really, really inefficient and antiquated, and my typing rate is lower than on the new rMBP. I also really enjoy the Touchbar - it hasn't been…

This sounds EXACTLY how my impression is after about 2 weeks of non-primary machine use.

!00% agree with the keyboard, I even made a joke about it to my visiting parents yesterday (received no laughs). After working for a few hours on my new machine, jumping back to my old machine definitely feels greasy.

98% agree with touchbar, I wish there was a way to edit the default touchbar view (escape and mini functions). I'd love to have the mini functions maximized so I can have the old hot keys one less click away, but its a minor gripe.

100% agree with speed -- it's been awesome. No worries at all. I don't have as much on my new machine yet but it seems to not get bogged down at all where my last-gen rMPB gets all hot and bothered rather quickly. It also doesn't seem to run as hot, I don't think I've heard a fan kick in yet (it is the winter ;D). I used to run my neural-styles on my last-gen rMBP as it would max at like 60GB (thanks swap!) where my 32GB linux box would tap out at... ~31.5GB. I am dying to run an apple to apple to penquin RNN death match here soon, but... yanno... people need gifts.

RAM -- 16GB is fine, it runs swap off an SSD, life could be A LOT worse. I am not sure how big swap can get but my last machine was touching 60GB under max loads of the RNN.

Touchpad -- it's HUGE and it's AWESOME! I don't have to do that lil finger-shifty maneuver to drag all the way across the screen now. I don't have any palming issues either. It's AMAZING!

Battery -- I saw some weirdness when I first got it, like being stuck at 80% for 3 hours. But it seems to have gotten enough data now to make better calcs on the power remaining. It feels like it lasts a lot longer than my old machine while doing generally the same work (usually local GAE instances, pycharm, chrome, webstorm, bundler watchers, the usual).

Ports -- I got one dongle and have only needed to use it once to test mousewheel events on a standard mouse. It worked great and everything else I plan to upgrade to USB-C and reading the instructions (it's really not THAT confusing guys...)

I am super pumped about my new upgrade and I definitely DID buy this myself (though it's a business write-off I suppose). I was waiting for the next MBP for a new lappy and had plenty of time to make a choice and every other laptop I got my hands on simply didn't have the same build quality or level of standard that this does. I also am not a fan for ultra-do-anything coffee-breath Windows and Linux support is always more trouble than it's worth at times (personally, macOS is my favorite unix-like os flavor by far).

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