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Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

pjmlp wrote: post #153
mhenr18 wrote: post #144

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Sure, but the Windows APIs that I mentioned aren't historical. Those are all currently supported APIs. Carbon/Cocoa was the last time that OS X has had a dual-API situation but even then, Carbon was always referred to as the transitional library and Cocoa was always referred to as what you should use for new code. While Apple floundered during the 90s with their OS strategy, their API strategy in OS X has been absolu…

> It's now 2016, Carbon has come and gone as it was intended to and Cocoa is still around and is still the API you use for working with the Mac. If you're trying to do something on the Mac, there's going to be a single officially supported way to do it and that's it (if it's supported at all). There are quite a few 32bit apps making use of it and they will never be ported to Cocoa. > Meanwhile, there are three totall…

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Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by grahamburger »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #147
grahamburger wrote: post #70

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I saw this while using Firefox on my wife's Windows laptop yesterday. "Firefox is using 75% of your battery. Switch to Edge." Notification pop up from the battery indicator. Really obnoxious dark pattern.

Edge uses less power than Firefox for similar browsing patterns. Why is the OS monitoring your battery life and making suggestions to improve it (this is not the only suggestion it will make) a "dark pattern"? It does similar things with boot times (measure and report about slow startup apps) and IE add-ons. I want my OS to make suggestions about changes I could make to improve my experience.

Because it wasn't measuring and making suggestions, it was a scare tactic. I should have screenshotted the notification - I've seen notifications before like what you're talking about, 'X program is causing Y system issue, consider Z.' That's not what this was. It was more along the lines of those bouncy 'Your Computer Has A Virus! Click here to Scan!' banner ads of yesteryear.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by WayneBro »

oldmanjay wrote: post #41
WayneBro wrote: post #25

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Everything you listed as either incorrect or extremely insignificant. I don't have time to correct you right now but please, you're really reaching on quite a few of those. Edit: maybe it would help you to level out your perspective by thinking about some reasons why almost every business on the planet runs Windows and not Mac.

Without getting too much into what side wins, "my opinion is correct but I can't be bothered to express it" is one of the least convincing arguments I've ever read.

I expressed my opinion quite clearly, thank you very much.

Here it is again: Everything that person stated was either incorrect or extremely insignificant because obviously none of those reasons have affected Windows very significant market share.

EDIT: What I don't have time for anymore is refuting every person's laundry list of nit-picks.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by WayneBro »

Ensorceled wrote: post #73
douche wrote: post #63

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They still do run all that stuff, they are just letting Microsoft administer it for them increasingly, rather than fiddle-frig around with on-premise deployments. Office 365 is exploding.

Many corporations do, but Exchange and Sharepoint are no longer practically a "given" like they use to be.

So what you're saying is that no other OS has any programs that can compete with Exchange, Outlook, Office and Sharepoint.

I agree. :)

Maybe those other shitty operating systems makers should try harder if they want to replace Windows. It won't happen though because none of them care about their business customers as much as Microsoft does.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by haldean »

mhenr18 wrote: post #103
haldean wrote: post #87

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Some of these are valid, but: * My Razer Blade 2015 has no problem driving its hidpi screen and my lodpi monitor, even at the same time * My battery lasts 8 hours with a VM running, which is about as good as any MacBook I've ever had * Multi desktop exists in Win10, Win+Tab lets you switch desktops Windows isn't perfect, and I spent a long time on a combination of Linux and Mac machines, but my daily driver is Window…

And you don't notice any issues when you drag windows between the two monitors? One of the developers at my work can't do fine tuning of our styles because his Windows multi-display setup won't re-render apps at 1x when he drags them to the lodpi monitor. Instead it renders the app at 2x and downscales it to 1x, blurring everything.

I'm actually not sure, I'll have to try that when I get back to my office. I always have a VM on one monitor and Windows on the other, so I never move things around. I might have to eat my words...

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by WayneBro »

ditados wrote: post #28
hartator wrote: post #8

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Windows 10 has Linux subsystem now, which is Ubuntu 14.04. I would say it's at least on par now with MacOS.

Believe me, it's not. Even when the userland gets updated to 16.04, it's still heavily dependent on the Windows kernel, and the networking stack (for example) will not be the same. The WSL will never replace a native Linux OS. Period. But it will be pretty useful for some lighter use cases. As a dev, I'm still not convinced it's good enough, given the recent issues with Ruby and Node.

Enjoy running those 10 year old GNU Utils that come with your Mac. LOL

Meanwhile Windows now has everything Ubuntu does.

Thanks Open Source!

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by gotofritz »

saurik wrote: post #179
gotofritz wrote: post #173

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Not a chance in hell Adobe is going to do that. It'd increase their costs and the complexity of releases, and all for a platform with 1.x% share and with a culture of not paying for softare

That's like saying Google releasing Chrome OS and Android while porting their software the Linux was dumb because it just increases their costs for a platform that no one uses while totally missing the part that Google now controls an alternative platform that people actually do use... do you really not see how Adobe seems to hold almost all of the cards needed right now to take over as de facto operating system?

There is a big difference between what Adobe and what Google do. Adobe is nowhere near being an operating system, they build application platforms. If anything they are moving towards making all their apps web based.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by lamontcg »

thenewwazoo wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm living in a crazytown where nobody sees what's so plainly obvious. Doesn't anyone remember when IBM wasn't able to deliver chips to Apple on the schedule they demanded, and customers were complaining, and they were taking a drubbing in the press for it? And Apple let their existing product line stagnate for a little while, and then we got the Intel Macs? Well, this time it's Intel and not IBM, except…

Intel can certainly deliver chips to Apple to make better MacPros. I've got a hackintosh that I built last year which will easily outdo an Apple MacPro. Apple could decide to not be clever and just ship a pretty standard looking desktop computer with the latest chipsets and CPUs, spacious memory expansion and a couple expansion slots for GPUs and crank out a new rev every year and it would keep the people buying the MacPros happy and Apple wouldn't have to invest a ton of money overdesigning the thing -- and Intel would certainly be able to keep up with the demand easily.

The territory that they'd concede though is that expandability and people buying CPUs, RAM, drives and GPUs from non-Apple vendors. But that would buy them continuing to tie professionals down to macOS and then selling them laptops and building hype. Instead I think they're going to ditch macOS and switch to iOS on desktops and laptops and you'll see their laptop and desktop sales shrink and they'll be become entirely an iphone/ipad company. I don't think this has anything to do with supply chain and this is entirely self-inflicted damage because they're prioritizing their walled garden strategy above all else.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by oldmanjay »

WayneBro wrote: post #183
oldmanjay wrote: post #41

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Without getting too much into what side wins, "my opinion is correct but I can't be bothered to express it" is one of the least convincing arguments I've ever read.

I expressed my opinion quite clearly, thank you very much. Here it is again: Everything that person stated was either incorrect or extremely insignificant because obviously none of those reasons have affected Windows very significant market share. EDIT: What I don't have time for anymore is refuting every person's laundry list of nit-picks.

I didn't need a restatement, it is simple enough to understand. Your opinion is a lot of words to say "I think you're wrong" in the form of a bare assertion with nothing supporting it. Why would you expect anyone to care about reasons you could not be bothered to express?

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by plg »

erokar wrote: post #125
Adaptive wrote: post #16

"Linux can solve some pro needs, but not most. It’s a fantastic server OS but a miserable desktop one, and that will probably never change." When I switched in 2005 I had to convince friends I wasn't crazy. I advocated for the platform. I suffered weird incompatibilities. I dealt with bad updates. I found work arounds for non-multi-platform tools I had to run. But look how stable, how much less restrictive the platfo…

I installed Ubuntu on my Macbook Air a couple of days ago. After making some adjustments for the hardware everything works. It's faster and smoother than current MacOS. It also looks better (after slight GUI tweaking). Granted, with Linux you will often have to do a bit of setup initially, but after that you don't need to touch the innards of the OS again if you don't want to. I don't think MacOS is a superior OS com…

what about close-lid-to-sleep?

what about battery usage?

what about heat?

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