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Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by pjmlp »

catwell wrote: post #180
pjmlp wrote: post #165

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> Because, honestly, iPhones are already top of the line smartphonecameras. Given that outside US and a few other countries they have a market share around 20%, and most of those countries use pre-paid mobile phones, I think there are plenty of opportunities there.

But how much market share do they have among people likely to buy expensive digital photography equipment?

Lots, because it is cheaper than buying an iPhone off contract or even taking into consideration the monthly contract rates, in countries where most folks get to see 1000€ or less monthly.

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by coldtea »

pjmlp wrote: post #181
catwell wrote: post #180

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But how much market share do they have among people likely to buy expensive digital photography equipment?

Lots, because it is cheaper than buying an iPhone off contract or even taking into consideration the monthly contract rates, in countries where most folks get to see 1000€ or less monthly.

Folks that get to see "1000€ or less monthly" don't care about a novelty camera-first phone. They can get a good phone AND a better than the Ektra compact for way less.

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by SixSigma »

Endy wrote: post #176
userbinator wrote: post #143

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I wonder how many people actually use their smartphone more as an actual mobile phone than as a camera, laptop replacement, navigation aid, or whatever else. Given what these little computers are mostly used for, I wish the term PDA, or Personal Digital Assistant, would come back into popularity.

My phone calls and texts. I'm sure that Android can do more. I deleted every program I could delete. If I could make it so there were two big buttons - one that said "PHONE" and the other that says "TEXT" on my homescreen without adding a widget, downloading a program, etc., I would. My iPad is a tablet computer and serves in that capacity. My main computer is my laptop.

Why did you buy a smartphone when you wanted a featurephone ?

My fp has amazing battery life compared to my sp and I can tether through it for my 7" tablet. Its a great combo

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by sirkneeland »

astrocat wrote: post #93

There's a missed opportunity here... this is not a smartphone, because as a phone, it will suck. It's a smartcamera, because as a point-and-shoot running Android with a cellular data connection, it will probably be quite cool. As mentioned already, Nokia tried the "photography first" smartphonecamera - it didn't fly. Because, honestly, iPhones are already top of the line smartphonecameras. The cameras are ridiculousl…

> Nokia tried the "photography first" smartphonecamera - it didn't fly

I worked at Nokia at the time. The Lumia 1020 didn't fly because it failed to ship with an OS that was considered "good enough" (and yes, "good enough" means "has apps") by consumers.

A Lumia 1020 with Android would have sold better (and shipped sooner)

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by userbinator »

jake-low wrote: post #41

Odd choice for the name, since Kodak also has a color negative film called "Ektar" [0] which is just a single transposition away from this new phone's name. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ektar

They also have(had?) a line of slide projectors branded Ektapro, and a high-speed camera of the same name:

http://slideprojector.kodak.com/ektapro/kodak-ektapro-slide-...

http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/ektapro.html

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by pjmlp »

coldtea wrote: post #182
pjmlp wrote: post #181

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Lots, because it is cheaper than buying an iPhone off contract or even taking into consideration the monthly contract rates, in countries where most folks get to see 1000€ or less monthly.

Folks that get to see "1000€ or less monthly" don't care about a novelty camera-first phone. They can get a good phone AND a better than the Ektra compact for way less.

Which is my exactly point regarding the iPhone use as camera.

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by morganvachon »

viraptor wrote: post #177
cft wrote: post #148

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Another one would be a 6" slider with a decent keyboard, like the original Droid. There are people actually composing serious documents on the go (e.g. lawyers, journalists), that would love it

So basically like n900... I miss it so much.

I should have kept both of mine, but the platform was essentially dead and I had to move on. These days there are two potential replacements for such a device, one is a continuation of the platform, the Neo900[1], the other is the Pyra[2]. I'm going to save up for a Pyra since it's half the cost of the Neo900 and looks like a more capable platform. I don't need a device like that anymore, given how good smartphones have become, but it would be nice to have a pocketable true computer with a keyboard for certain situations. The mobile retro-gaming aspect also appeals to me.

[1] http://neo900.org/

[2] https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by maxerickson »

slededit wrote: post #159
nikcub wrote: post #138

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Kodak is an "innovators dilemma" case study, and what they're doing by bringing in an outside group to compete with itself is exactly one of the solutions that is often prescribed.

Kodak is bankrupt. The old company no longer exists, and is being run by its creditors. If they can make back some of their losses by licensing the name, they absolutely will do so.

They did have an innovators dilemma back in the 1970s when they developed (one of?) the first digital camera. They didn't do much with it.

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by 7Z7 »

akavel wrote: post #172
ClassyJacket wrote: post #161

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The iPhone. Scroll a selector wheel, like a date picker, on an iPhone 7. It's very impressive.

Don't have one; could you describe in some more detail how it works, or link to some info on the web? edit: for now, main google results are "how to disable haptic feedback on iphone 7" -- huh? edit 2: ok, found some basic info: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/27/inside-the-iphone-... So, from what I understand, still a buzzer, only much more precise, controllable and subtle (?). Still not clear if the Kodak's…

FWIW, I don't think "just a buzzer" really does it justice. At least in the iPhone's case, it's more like a tiny insistent tap or click that you feel in your finger.

Re: Kodak Ektra

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Post by digi_owl »

sirkneeland wrote: post #184
astrocat wrote: post #93

There's a missed opportunity here... this is not a smartphone, because as a phone, it will suck. It's a smartcamera, because as a point-and-shoot running Android with a cellular data connection, it will probably be quite cool. As mentioned already, Nokia tried the "photography first" smartphonecamera - it didn't fly. Because, honestly, iPhones are already top of the line smartphonecameras. The cameras are ridiculousl…

> Nokia tried the "photography first" smartphonecamera - it didn't fly I worked at Nokia at the time. The Lumia 1020 didn't fly because it failed to ship with an OS that was considered "good enough" (and yes, "good enough" means "has apps") by consumers. A Lumia 1020 with Android would have sold better (and shipped sooner)

May have been a reference to an older device, the 808 pureview.

That said, Nokia has had multiple devices over the years that had a heavy focus on camera.

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