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Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE

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Post by nikon » Sat, Jul 09, 2016, 8:06 AM UTC

huherto wrote: post #84

bradleyjg wrote: post #69

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I wonder how difficult it would be to port C# to the jvm. It really is a better language. There are some parts of the standard library that are better in java, but overall I'd say C# is better there too.

Care to list what the C## language has that the Java Language doesn't? I guess, you don't miss what you don't know.

From my limited experience using Java after C# 6.

Type inference, C# properties (vs. getters/setters in Java), generics are way better, and of course Linq.

Java 8 makes this a bit better with lambdas but it's still a bit of a pain not having the above present. I still like Java though.

Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE

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Post by Svenskunganka » Sat, Jul 09, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

toqueteos wrote: post #95

Svenskunganka wrote: post #40

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I'm not familiar with either Java nor Golang, but I'd love to hear what you're looking at when you see shortcomings in Golang. I am genuinely curious and are very interested in what enterprises are looking at when they are browsing new tech. My mother is a COBOL programmer for one of the largest banks in the EU, and I always enjoy listening to her explaining their systems (IBM Mainframe, Batch processing, etc).

I would enjoy a lot reading her stories, you should write those on a blog.

Would be really fun and informative writing a post about her work! I'm gonna ask her tomorrow! :)

Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE

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Post by nickpeterson » Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 3:23 AM UTC

sievebrain wrote: post #174

nickpeterson wrote: post #56

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Remember that sales is mostly about relationships. Your CEO will hand a few million to someone they trust. Oracle projects an image of being the large company that other large companies trust. SAP has a similar vibe. Your C-Level people don't want to play dice with tech because to them it's often a cost center whose disruption can be terrible for business. You'll notice most engineering focused companies don't use Or…

Last time I looked around it seemed a lot of "engineering focused companies" like tech startups were using garbage like MongoDB, the famously lossy database. I wouldn't assume that big companies are automatically incompetent and "tech focused companies" ignore Oracle for good reasons. It can as well be just fashion and/or groupthink and/or cost reasons.

Web development and engineering are different. I believe we're in agreement.

Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE

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Post by soundoflight » Mon, Jul 11, 2016, 2:10 PM UTC

jinst8gmi wrote: post #91

soundoflight wrote: post #44

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And runs on more platforms than Java.

Care to name some of these platforms which Java doesn't run on which .NET supports? I'm having a hard time coming up with even a very short list.

Also, Xamarin makes .NET runnable on Android with their runtime and compile it down for iOS.

.NET Microframework makes it runnable on IoT.

Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE

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Post by jinst8gmi » Mon, Jul 11, 2016, 4:35 PM UTC

soundoflight wrote: post #184

jinst8gmi wrote: post #91

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Care to name some of these platforms which Java doesn't run on which .NET supports? I'm having a hard time coming up with even a very short list.

Also, Xamarin makes .NET runnable on Android with their runtime and compile it down for iOS. .NET Microframework makes it runnable on IoT.

I don't think Android is a good example of a platform which .NET supports which Java doesn't since Java is the primary development language for Android apps...

I'm also pretty sure that embedded Java is widely deployed in IoT applications.