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Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

#182
I know this is crazy but I want there to be a service where I can subscribe to a number of websites, and every week I get a printed hardcopy of all the content that I can leaf through. Eco-greenie-ologists be damned, I want my degradable, ephemeral paper to leaf through while lounging in a rocker chair drinking ice tea. Civilized. Now that's a browser.

Solves the security issue right there, aint nobody tracking me now. I'd like to see 1337 kidz xploit that paper. Escalate that privilege , from my rocking chair! And let me choose from a number of layouts. The smell of that fresh printers ink, nothing like it!

Bits and scroll bars and cookies. No taste, it's just trash.

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

#183
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Wait, what's insecure about Chrome password syncing?

I use firefox, but if I remember correctly the passwords are stored in plain text? And there is no global password to protect the saved password.

How exactly is any browser supposed to autofill passwords without storing them in plaintext? If you want them encrypted, you need to put in a password on every startup, which can be easily done by using truecrypt containers or fde.

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

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What else would you like it measured by? Paid subscriptions? Because we all know how that goes. The breadth of online journalism we see today is precisely because of those ads everyone claims to hate. It allows anyone to quickly join the pot and lets the market decide their value. Without ads we'd be stuck with the 4 fuhrer model we had for the last 100 years.

Why wouldn't donations work? Something like Gratipay (formerly Gittip) for journalists?

Because a journalist needs a minimum of $50 a day, it's a hit based business, and readers are fickle. Everything you say must be in complete agreement with their world view to get a donation. One mistake and they're gone.

Also, it's been tried before and has failed every time.

A subscription based donation system might still work though.

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

#185
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Yes. You could still serve ads from third party domains but these ads wouldn't be able to run javascript. This would be a protection in term of security and privacy. With no cookies or javascript I do not see how a tracking company could track users accross websites. And unless I miss something it would be a more constructive alternative to ad blockers. [edit] in fact an alternative to blocking third party cookies is…

It's not nearly as easy without cookies and javascript, but it's worth mentioning that browser fingerprinting[0] can track users across websites. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

This thing relies heavily on javascript, flash and silverlight. Both flash and silverlight require javascript. So unless I missed something, without scripts the only thing device fingerprinting can harvest is pretty much the user agent, which is pretty much useless for fingerprinting.

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

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Jails for cookies, history, etc. I want to be able to stay logged into Google/Facebook/Linkedin for convenience without other browser tabs knowing anything about it...or isomorphically, I want to be able to browse the internet while logged into those services without the pages I am browsing leaking data back to those sites. I'll take the hit of downloading 100k of jquery on my 20mbit pipe a few extra times. I want my…

Wouldn't creating a second user in chromium do what you want here? You could have a specific "social media" user.

to achieve what he said he'd need one user per browser tab...

you do realize that facebook etc still track you, even if you're logged out, right?

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

#187
Speed.

Very lightweight, low CPU usage.

Extensible, easy to write addons.

Keyboard shortcuts, single-key shortcuts for everything.

A good bookmark manager.

Customisable till the very end, through a simple to understand menu instead of the about:config way.

Minimal, no mail or RSS client, just the vanilla browser.

Superb in-memory caching for instant page navigation.

In fact, the old Opera had nearly all these features before they went and messed it all up, making it a chrome clone in a different skin. I was a paid user since the 2.x days.

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

#188
1. A per-website privacy mode. I don't want fb tracking me across all my private-mode tabs.

2. A separated out password store where the store prompts me for each password request and I have to allow it. The store would work with more than just browser passwords.

3. Better cookie control: I need no persistent cookies, apart from whatever Google uses for 2FA.

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

#189
I've wondered about where UI and UX is going for a few years now. I think it's one of those areas where, if it weren't for the fact that corporate involvement would categorically be too politically incorrect, good (GOOD) ground-up UI/UX is a completely un-tapped field.

A few months ago I was thinking about the old MinWin improvements (to Windows' basic core services), how Windows 8.1/10 are (arguably) smaller and lighter than Vista, etc... and it clicked: Microsoft have realized they're no longer the "hardware industry killer app," if you will, and have moved out of the way... to let the Web take its place.

In my opinion, Web browsers are basically mind-bogglingly complex rube goldberg machines, based on conflicting standards that are also rube goldberg machines, and the whole scene is basically meta-rube-goldberg-ception.

A lot of the complexity and conflict is mostly due to the history and tradition behind the technologies we're using: on the one hand, all you want is arbitrary sandboxed code execution and sane UI; on the other hand, sites start delivering content exclusively via JS and everyone gets mad. And in the meantime, who audits their web browsers? What was that about "safe" code execution, where the browser protects you from "nasty" code? We hear about the browsers themselves doing the wrong thing by users almost every week.

We need to fight this. I've come to the conclusion that the only way this can be done is to simply make the effort and do the hard graft to port a bunch of existing applications to a new coherent, practical modality/paradigm, dump the whole thing on an unsuspecting world, and wait to see what happens next. It might catch on. It might not. Get feedback, try again. Keep trying until it goes viral enough to make a dent and improve people's lives.

There are so many interesting and fascinating UI experiments out there, but nobody seems to want to commit to actually practically trying out a few of them in real applications :( and I think that's what's holding everything back - everyone's waiting for everyone else to make the first move.

Here's where I'd start: everything should be able to send messages to everything else, to work around the language problem; everything should be an object with arbitrarily settable properties - everything from the files in the filesystem to the windows on the screen; with the appropriate security context surrounding everything, you could do crazy things like programmatically share the tags you attach to the files you share over P2P, or tag images with text descriptions of their contents; the console should be inherently textual but in such a way that it is exclusively touch-gesture-drivable; I strongly believe in the anti-mac/post-mac UX paradigm; I believe that it's impossible to create the "ultimate" solution that will work for everyone, and that all I can ever hope to do is nudge everything in what I think is a good general direction. And the only sane way to release an implementation like this is to put it into the public domain.

Agh, this probably reads like a rant, and I guess it is. I'm just not sure where to start, although I do have some ideas. Incidentally, I frequently use "asmqb7" on the web, including for my Gmail account.

Re: Ask HN: What would you want in an ideal web browser?

#190
Great question.

- No tabs, that's the job of the window manager. I get that most window managers are too underpowered to replicate browser tabs. Stop using those window managers I guess. Note that this gets you tab isolation for free, since every "tab" is just a completely different browser process. It hardly wastes any memory, too, because of dynamic linking.

- No features. I want to be able to set the url, search, have back/forward buttons, zoom the text. That's it.

- Extensible in a Unixy way. Press a key and execute a program with some hooks to modify the browser.

So far suckless's surf browser fits the bill. I currently use surf with a patch that lats me search duckduckgo from the dmenu url field.

- Support for privacy enhancing extensions. NoScript, µBlock, PrivacyBadger, HTTPS Everywhere, etc. I'm trying to see how these could work as a component separate the browser and I'm coming up blank on how to present the UI nicely. Currently I use privoxy for this, but it's subadequate.

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