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But what caught me is this line: Students are figuring out that all of the STEM jobs are in computer science
That pie chart is probably the most striking manifestation of "software is eating the world".
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Could you please forward me jobs advertised that have the real possibility of "ridiculous amounts of money"? All the programming jobs I see are about 90k?
Compared to the median income for most of the US ($40-$50k/year), $90k for a new grad is pretty high.
Even within these areas, you want to compare your income with median in your closest neighbourhood of about 10,000 people. In most of these neighbourhoods with tech population, $90 would probably place you in bottom 30% bucket. In essence, you will be relatively "poor" and get pushed you out to fat outer areas of community where there are either no good schools, facilities and/or commute is ridiculous.
Always look at median of your target neighbour to compare your income, not the national median.
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Standard new grad package at Google gives you over $120k worth of equity over 4 years, and I think additional $30k a year is definitely worth mentioning. For more experienced people it's obviously even more, and if you manage to stay for 4 years, the next stock grant will probably be significantly higher to keep you and your acquired inside knowledge inside the company.
30k != 300k Do you get approximately 150k/yr of equity in the 5th year? I think a lot of us are trying to understand the "300k/yr" part. I wouldn't doubt to much that maybe a few people are getting paid that, but I doubt it's the median.
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Could you please forward me jobs advertised that have the real possibility of "ridiculous amounts of money"? All the programming jobs I see are about 90k?
Move to NYC or SF. Engineers fresh out of college are getting $90k. Startups are paying $100k - $150k to engineers with 5+ years experience. I don't know if you can call that "ridiculous amounts of money", but its definitely better than average. It's worth noting that engineering salaries rise a lot quicker then traditional non engineering salaries, but the also plateau much earlier. The engineers making $150k with 8…
Factor in cost of living and you're really not making much more.
This is evidence that programming has become a skill akin to literacy. The migration seems similar to the hypothetical situation in which universities and society had primarily been based on an oral tradition of communication, and then this fancy new technology called "writing" appeared (at first only in "Departments of orthography science"). Some of those who majored in "orthography science" would go on to study it,…
I completely disagree. Having everyone knowing how to code is the opposite of specialisation. It's inefficient and pointless. If a certain profession needs a piece of software, it's much more efficient for specialist developers to consult with domain experts, write that software, and sell it into the industry. Having every (for example) doctor being able to code adds negligible value, and I would argue the opportunit…
If I may extend the previous metaphor: society already produces fanfiction.net, so I think we'll survive this too.
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> Do you really think universities believe in the "rounded education" goal This was the traditional role of Universities. It's only recently that they have become pressured to become trade schools and remove anything deemed 'unnecessary' or 'non-profitable.' Of course when Universities filled that role, you didn't have choices as to what to use as, as you term it, irrelevant classes. Everyone had to have a broader ed…
> It's only recently that they have become pressured to become trade schools and remove anything deemed 'unnecessary' or 'non-profitable.' They've come under this pressure because of the changed realities of the contemporary job market, combined with the rising cost of higher education. College is largely an economic decision for the vast majority of people who attend. Unfortunately, some only realize this soon after…
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> It's only recently that they have become pressured to become trade schools and remove anything deemed 'unnecessary' or 'non-profitable.' They've come under this pressure because of the changed realities of the contemporary job market, combined with the rising cost of higher education. College is largely an economic decision for the vast majority of people who attend. Unfortunately, some only realize this soon after…
I think this is laziness on the part of employers. Nobody wants to offer training in a new job so they pressure for cookie-cutter grads that they can slot into junior roles.
For those able to learn on the job pretty much by themselves, well, the above type isn't able to judge much about the real work they do, let alone their not visibly accomplishing much for weeks while they come up to speed.
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> It's only recently that they have become pressured to become trade schools and remove anything deemed 'unnecessary' or 'non-profitable.' They've come under this pressure because of the changed realities of the contemporary job market, combined with the rising cost of higher education. College is largely an economic decision for the vast majority of people who attend. Unfortunately, some only realize this soon after…
I think this is laziness on the part of employers. Nobody wants to offer training in a new job so they pressure for cookie-cutter grads that they can slot into junior roles.
The problem is that 'computational thinking' has become expected of a university education, regardless of major , but universities haven't shifted to meet the need. All the other basic requirements of a university education are filled through entry level classes - credit-fillers that students have to take in order to graduate. This structure works out well for everyone: the university ensures that students are gettin…