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Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

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I feel completely out-nerded here. I shall just spoon some fine ground coffee from the local shop into my moka pot tomorrow and pop it on the hotplate. As others have said, I actually like the reflective few minutes the process takes early in the morning with the back door open...

I'm guessing that you live someplace where, unlike where I am, the temperature outside the back door is warmer than -15F ;-)

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So what is an option for easily brewing a single cup of coffee without pods that will lock you into a specific machine? The things that I like about my Keurig are that you can get 4 to 6 cups before having to refill the water tank and that it’s easy to clean. While I don’t mind having to throw away a filter I would like to avoid having to refill a machine with water every time I want another cup of coffee.

A modern electric kettle + small cup-sized drip cone / french press? Modern electric kettles are awesome, they're insulated so can keep the water at the perfect temperature for ages... most have a "90degC" setting that's right for coffee. They're perfectly suited to cup-at-a-time usage (and often have a form-factor designed for dispensing into a cup without lifting the kettle). I use a drip-cone on top of my cup, and…

What a lot of people are ignoring deliberately is that Keurig offers convenience. Pop in the pod and push a button and coffee is ready in a minute. In that minute, I can either do nothing, or make a sandwich for lunch, or go tie my shoes so I can grab the coffee and run when it's done.

I don't think anyone is buying these things for their quality, but it's a quick, one stop method of getting acceptable coffee.

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A modern electric kettle + small cup-sized drip cone / french press? Modern electric kettles are awesome, they're insulated so can keep the water at the perfect temperature for ages... most have a "90degC" setting that's right for coffee. They're perfectly suited to cup-at-a-time usage (and often have a form-factor designed for dispensing into a cup without lifting the kettle). I use a drip-cone on top of my cup, and…

What a lot of people are ignoring deliberately is that Keurig offers convenience. Pop in the pod and push a button and coffee is ready in a minute. In that minute, I can either do nothing, or make a sandwich for lunch, or go tie my shoes so I can grab the coffee and run when it's done. I don't think anyone is buying these things for their quality, but it's a quick, one stop method of getting acceptable coffee.

I don't think people are ignoring it so much as doubting its real worth. Sure it's a bit more convenient, but the question is whether there's enough of a difference to be worth the downsides. Given hot water, the effort of sticking a filter paper in a cone, adding some coffee, and pouring water over it isn't particularly great...

[If you want to grind the beans for better taste, that's of course a bit more effort, but not something the keurig offers anyway.]

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And for the rest of us that are not coffee snobs, the Keurig is a great way to get a consistently good cup of coffee without wasting time and effort that could be better spent doing something else.

A consistently mediocre cup of coffee. I drink it every day, but it doesn't fool me into thinking it's good coffee.

Actually, by the time I put in my creamer and sugar it tastes damned good. The thing is, taste is completely subjective. I couldn't give a rat's about all the subtleties of coffee. Same for wine. I want something that tastes fine to my unsophisticated palate and I want it with minimal fuss.

This actually reminded me of a friend of my father. This friend was a chef at some over-the-top fancy (or in my book, prissy) restaurants in his heyday. Anyway he pretty much lost the ability to just eat and enjoy food because he would constantly judge it. If I recall, he would generally just eat some bread and some cured meat for most of his meals. I honestly imagine he would jump over a chance to have Soylent. My thought on the matter is that if I ever get my head that far up my ass that I can't enjoy something that tastes good because of some stupid ideal of what something "should" be, well then I've seriously screwed myself over.

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The patent was required to be sufficiently detailed to allow producing compatible cups? I don't think so.

Isn't that the point of a patent?

I haven't read the patent, but I assume Keurig patents a way to improve cups in some obscure way that probably doesn't matter but for which they can claim novelty. Their patent must explain how to implement this "improvement". Now, in order to be compatible with a Keurig machine, you must implement this "improvement", which is really the point of the "improvement" in the first place and why I keep putting it in quotes. But compatibility with a Keurig machine is not what's patented and there can be plenty of other undisclosed details that prevent someone from making Keurig compatible coffee cups.

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If the patent is expired, one wonders if some company may reverse engineer the Keurig 1.0 design, and continue their manufacture (along with all the factories that are already tooled for the 1.0 cups.)

If the patent is expired, then reverse engineering had better not be necessary, or else the original patent was insufficiently detailed to be valid.

A patent details the key concepts, it's not like downloading a project from github and building it. With something mechanical, even more so. There won't be CAD files of the device uploaded with the patent, let alone tooling designs to produce the device. So there's plenty of reverse engineering to do even if the patent is expired.

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This case doesn't have anything to do with DRM as the title suggest. It's more clear in the article: "the java-bean equivalent of DRM". As far as I can tell it's actually just allegations of patent abuse and anti-competitive vertical integration. Keurig had a patent on the technology for both machine and pod. That patent expired in 2012, allowing third-party vendors to start making pods. Treehouse Foods argues (among…

Isn't this standard practice in other industries too? Change something so slightly, simply to hold on to copyright/patent?

Re: Keurig Will Use DRM In New Coffee Maker

#178

I feel completely out-nerded here. I shall just spoon some fine ground coffee from the local shop into my moka pot tomorrow and pop it on the hotplate. As others have said, I actually like the reflective few minutes the process takes early in the morning with the back door open...

I'm guessing that you live someplace where, unlike where I am, the temperature outside the back door is warmer than -15F ;-)

UK: Spring like weather at present, an invigorating 5 degrees C this morning at 7am.

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Far better coffee with roughly equivalent hassles: http://www.sweetmarias.com/clevercoffeedripperpictorial.php

Definitely doesn't do away with waste, although compostable paper filters are better than plastic pods (unless the pods can be composted?)

We're hippies so we use an organic cotton one, unless it's 4am and it's dirty we have backup paper filters.

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The new pods (Keurig Vue pods) are recyclable[1]. Also, I don't care too much about my coffee taste, so it does a great job getting my caffeine with coffee flavor, especially when I'm the only person in the house that drinks coffee. [1] http://www.vuerecycling.com/

Honest question: If you don't care about the coffee taste, why not drink a glass of water and pop a caffeine pill?

Well, I partially like the taste of Keurig coffee. I can drink keurig coffee, or fancy coffee shop coffee and they end up tasting pretty close to the same for me. I like having a hot beverage with a bit of flavor, but I'm not all that picky about the flavor.
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