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Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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Having spent 15 years in the US (I am Russian), now I am somewhat shocked when I don't get a smile from a cashier in a store in, say, Billings, MT.

Navajos, who don't make eye contact or smile either also take some getting used to now.

It's cultural, but Russia is a harsh place, so it goes deeper.

The part about people in the street not being helpful to each other is also true.

Just watch those dash cam videos where people witness a horrible crash, drive around and keep moving. You can die in the street and nobody might care. It's cultural and it's not a good thing.

The mob mentality is also a lot stronger. Westerners are a lot more tolerant to people being different or choosing their own way. It is in fact encouraged to be different and individual. Russians on the other hand, have whole layers of culture dedicated to making sure everybody is not sticking out of the crowd and not being an individual.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

#173

Russians do not teach their children to smile at people to be polite or for any other reason, so smile only comes as a genuine emotion. But Americans do, and not just smile, but also show teeth. I'm not sure why though, probably has something to do with dental advertisements.

Which is unnatural when you think about it, showing teeth is interpreted by most animals as a sign of aggression.

I remember reading that if you smile at strange kids (or dogs), don't show your teeth, they'll get scared or agitated. Similarly, if you are e.g. greeting a small child, squat so that you are eye level with them - kids (and dogs) hate when somebody huge is hanging over them.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

#174

As a Russian-American this comes off as complete BS. I've seen this written before and it's always in the form of "It's not us that smile too little, it's you Americans that are fake and smile too much!". For one, Americans don't just smile to be polite. For the most part it's genuinely conveying positive emotions. Now I know this is going to be unpopular, but I think the real reason Russians don't smile is cultural.…

I don't think it is BS; the article has a very true observation "Quite often, Russians smile not “at”, but "about" something." I guess in Russia one must always be aware of hierarchy; one is supposed to be subordinate to the current hierarchy; Smiling is often interpreted as mocking by the higher ups, and as a sign of condescension by peers. Also Moscow is quite a stressful place; Men have a high chance of dying in t…

Moscow is not a country. But I agree with you - people living in Moscow have very few reasons to smile to strangers.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

#175
This is easy question. According to Tibetan tradition the hell (in general, not these particular torturing hells) is a cold, dark place inhabited by selfish, aggressive, angry, greedy beings.)

The crucial notion is that it is not a place created by some goods to punish beings, but a condition, superimposed on the inhabitants by themselves according to the law of karma. Hell, therefore, is not created, it is emerged (as the whole reality).

In last 30 years or so Russia had undergo a radical transformation from almost naive and ignorant communist country with uneducated working class population into the most corrupted, degraded country in the world, leaving some African extremes aside.

In Soviet times, for example, criminals were untouchable marginals, a society inside a society, while nowadays, due to lack of any real economy and equality before law, there is no more such distinction. Being successful cheater or looter, uncaught thief is considered a virtue, and cheating and looting is the only way to become a success in consumerist life.

Imagine millions of angry, puffy, sick drunk, pot-bellied Ostap Benders, hating everyone and hated by everyone, trying to find any naive victim in a society consisted of nothing but their own type.)

It could be easily seen abroad. When Russians meet on the street they avert their gazes and put on that very characteristic face expression of a mix of contempt, disgust and boredom. Each one of them cannot relax in a presence of strangers, and without their usual dose of alcohol. That is why they are going into extremes in drunken parties, especially in other countries.

These notions, of course, are stereotypes, but they caught correctly some aspects of reality. Of course, there are younger generations, generation anime, who aren't like that, but there are several lost generations in a row, all these children of 90-th who now became to realize that life was spoiled and that the world changing in a way in which they have no place to go.

It is difficult to smile with such mentality.)

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

#176
This is one thing I feel that black people struggle to adjust to in the American workplace. Smiling to be neutral isn't nearly as common in Black Culture in America. Along the lines of this article, it can actually make people think you're kind of weird if you're in a typically black setting to just smile for no reason.

This causes problems at work, as a neutral visage on a black person at a typical workplace can easily be mistaken for annoyance (or be perceived as threatening) http://www.psmag.com/blogs/news-blog/black-male-faces-3571/

So you can either be yourself and risk coworkers avoiding you because they think you're "angry" (especially if you're more quiet than other people) or wear a smile that feels forced all the time to make your coworkers feel comfortable, because they won't take the time to assess their own biases and cut you the appropriate slack.

pretty unfortunate

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly agree. Cannot vouch for other Slavic people, but in Russia "чо лыбишься" ( wtf are you smiling at ) almost always greets me, and greeted while I was living there. One of the most fundamental reasons for me to move away to the US was this fundamental difference in the psychological makeup, which is expressed in the Russian proverb, "смех без причины признак дурачины": a smile without a reason means the person…

this thread couldn't come sooner. I'm in Minsk, Belarus (very similar to Russia) from SV for the next month to finish our mobile app. One thing I've noticed is how fucking gloomy everyone looks. If you smile the men look intimidating and want to cut your head off and the women roll their eyes...It's as if everyone is a KGB agent and they are constantly suspecting you.

I hope, having read the article, you can now understand their behavior.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

#178

This is easy question. According to Tibetan tradition the hell (in general, not these particular torturing hells) is a cold, dark place inhabited by selfish, aggressive, angry, greedy beings.) The crucial notion is that it is not a place created by some goods to punish beings, but a condition, superimposed on the inhabitants by themselves according to the law of karma. Hell, therefore, is not created, it is emerged (…

I don't think it's significantly related with modern Russia/Soviets or any recent events. You can found description of same behaviour made by Turgenev (here for example, in russian, http://european-book-review.blogspot.com/2006/04/blog-post_1...) in XIX century.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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Hi, i'm Russian sociologist of culture. The conclusion about different culture code and semantic is right. But there is more some interesting things. Russians have really poor toothcare, and this is joined with non-smiling bidirectionally. There is nothing abnormal for Russian to have couple of missing teeth. I've seen a really rich people (for example owner of Rolls Royce fleet) with just a couple of yellow teeth le…

> This is also true for voice tone and other subconscious traces of smile.

This reminds me of stories I've heard of Japanese office workers bowing while talking over the phone to their boss. It's said that your boss will be able to tell if you aren't bowing, and you will come across as insincere.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

#180
Actually, Russians smile quite a lot. They are not smiling to strangers - the article explains why. But this does not mean they are not smiling at all. Once you become acquainted to the person, the smile becoming the natural part of communication.
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