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Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by tsotha » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 1:20 AM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #170

tsotha wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market. Not everyone is interested in getting the Democratic talking points of the day when they watch the news. That's not to say Fox has a high quality broadcast. It doesn't. But it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC.

> Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market Yes, the half that want to be lied to because reality is too distressing for them; so distressing in fact that they call reality liberal media bias.

No, actually the half that's tired of being lied to by reporters with a liberal bias. Your "reality" isn't objective reality. Tell me, have you guys found Lucy Ramirez yet? In your, you know, reality?

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by rhizome » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 4:03 AM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #34

woah wrote: post #3

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There is nothing about monitoring our email that is necessary for security. The war on terror is a giant hoax, more people are killed every year choking on peanut butter. Members of the government are always reaching for more and more control over our lives and power to watch us.

Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…

No, the government exaggerates a fear of things people can't control well outside their level of risk in order to feed business to the security industries and receive campaign dollars.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by gnaritas » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 5:44 AM UTC

tsotha wrote: post #171

gnaritas wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market Yes, the half that want to be lied to because reality is too distressing for them; so distressing in fact that they call reality liberal media bias.

No, actually the half that's tired of being lied to by reporters with a liberal bias. Your "reality" isn't objective reality. Tell me, have you guys found Lucy Ramirez yet? In your, you know, reality?

Non-sequitur and False equivalence.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by tsotha » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 6:46 AM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #173

tsotha wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, actually the half that's tired of being lied to by reporters with a liberal bias. Your "reality" isn't objective reality. Tell me, have you guys found Lucy Ramirez yet? In your, you know, reality?

Non-sequitur and False equivalence.

No it isn't. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes conservatives distrust the liberal media. Being lied to for political gain.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by angrycoder » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 9:43 AM UTC

tsotha wrote: post #174

gnaritas wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-sequitur and False equivalence.

No it isn't. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes conservatives distrust the liberal media. Being lied to for political gain.

How are you guys making out with finding those WMD's in Iraq?

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by tsotha » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 10:19 AM UTC

angrycoder wrote: post #175

tsotha wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes conservatives distrust the liberal media. Being lied to for political gain.

How are you guys making out with finding those WMD's in Iraq?

Why do you ask?

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by adventured » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 11:06 AM UTC

angrycoder wrote: post #175

tsotha wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes conservatives distrust the liberal media. Being lied to for political gain.

How are you guys making out with finding those WMD's in Iraq?

Most evidence, including recent data, points to Saddam shipping them to Syria before the invasion began.

Nobody has yet 'officially' explained what Saddam did with the WMD we know for a fact he had. Shipping the weapons to Syria is the only logical explanation for their sudden disappearance.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by whiddershins » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 2:27 PM UTC

It's funny to see that headline jumps out at you, but not the one above it?

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by gnaritas » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 2:33 PM UTC

tsotha wrote: post #174

gnaritas wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-sequitur and False equivalence.

No it isn't. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes conservatives distrust the liberal media. Being lied to for political gain.

False equivalence. Fox lies far more than any other station, finding a lie on CNN doesn't justify the "liberal media" non-sense conservatives have made up.

Conservatives distrust the media because they don't like hearing things that don't jive with the belief system and reality is full of those things; it's as simple as that. Colbert nailed it when he said reality has a liberal bias, as did Stewart when he dubbed Fox bullshit mountain.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by whiddershins » Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 2:41 PM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #34

woah wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing about monitoring our email that is necessary for security. The war on terror is a giant hoax, more people are killed every year choking on peanut butter. Members of the government are always reaching for more and more control over our lives and power to watch us.

Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…

If causing fear defines what terrorism is, then the terrorists are government and media outlets who portray these extremely unlikely events as a credible threat. That is what creates the terror.