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Hate to comment more on the drama, but it's only after watching Andrew Kelley's talk at Software Should Work [1] that I realized how philosophically different he is from Jarred and the broader SF AI/VC sphere. Here he is in a conference talking about agency, enshittification, and learning to deprogram from a deeply religious background and then using that experience of internal questioning to define his relationship…
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Be honest, though: had they shipped earlier—which they probably could have safely done—they would have been called “reckless” by the detractors. There was no way to make them happy here.
Perhaps. But they didn’t, instead they spent months claiming it was done, while maybe adding a bunch of new features (why? Get the base rewrite out first) which only made them look worse.
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I don't doubt this is the case. Even if they're producing code by hand, surely they have LLM helpers by now. Coding agents have really only taken off in the last 10 months. So it is still early.
You are living in a bubble. I've never used LLM helpers, and in my circle nobody does willingly . Those who are forced by their bosses to use such tools really enjoy in their free time coding by hand without a stupid robot watching over their shoulders. We are billions of people opposed to AI as an ecocidal tech and a heteronomous political project, including much of the IT sector. Just because you only follow grifte…
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This isn't so much about Bun or Node.js any more. It is the battleground for AI and non-AI coding. There is no non-AI coding anymore. I guarantee you Node.js team is heavily using AI to make changes and debug.
> There is no non-AI coding anymore. The JVM and GCC have forbidden AI generated code. The world is bigger than you think.
The policy does not forbid use of LLMs for research, analysis, bug discovery and reporting, patch review, etc. as long as the output is not included in contributions. The committee says that it expects the policy will evolve and will be revisited periodically.
It's weird their promotional video repeats "you can do without installing dependencies", if I want headless browser testing is that wrong to install a project that offers that? Why would I want everything reimplemented in this massive binary? Why would Bun be anymore in touch with nuances of all these different technologies then individual projects dedicated to their own speciality? JS Runtime, Package Manager, Test…
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You are living in a bubble. I've never used LLM helpers, and in my circle nobody does willingly . Those who are forced by their bosses to use such tools really enjoy in their free time coding by hand without a stupid robot watching over their shoulders. We are billions of people opposed to AI as an ecocidal tech and a heteronomous political project, including much of the IT sector. Just because you only follow grifte…
To be honest, I think you are the one living in a bubble.
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Perhaps. But they didn’t, instead they spent months claiming it was done, while maybe adding a bunch of new features (why? Get the base rewrite out first) which only made them look worse.
Everyone was saying they shouldn’t just accept the LLM’s output without cautious review. Seems they took the time to make sure it was a good release. Not sure why that doesn’t sound like a valid reason not to rush to you.
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Everyone was saying they shouldn’t just accept the LLM’s output without cautious review. Seems they took the time to make sure it was a good release. Not sure why that doesn’t sound like a valid reason not to rush to you.
If they had used the time to actually review the code I would agree! But it sure seems like they used the time instead to play whack-a-mole on bugs and cram in about 50 new, completely unrelated features. That implies they still have not actually reviewed the code they are shipping.
This was an incredible demo for Claude. The runtime hosted Claude Code for months and I never saw the slightest issue. Wholly machine ported. Truly amazing.
but did others?
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If they had used the time to actually review the code I would agree! But it sure seems like they used the time instead to play whack-a-mole on bugs and cram in about 50 new, completely unrelated features. That implies they still have not actually reviewed the code they are shipping.
You don’t know that. Also, fixing bugs is good.
We’re literally on a thread discussing the release notes, which are filled with new features.
> Also, fixing bugs is good.
Yes, fixing bugs is good. The Bun team should have spent time on that in the first place, instead of creating a bunch more with this marketing fueled rewrite.