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Interesting to see that peak hours are work hours in China, night in the US and Europe, and also morning in Europe. So Deepseek's customers are mostly domestic.
Makes sense - many US customers will probably be going to US providers once they release the weights.
Interesting to see that peak hours are work hours in China, night in the US and Europe, and also morning in Europe. So Deepseek's customers are mostly domestic.
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It mostly hurts people in countries with weak purchasing power. DS was the main game in down for them. Personally, I don't think we've seen the total end of dirt cheap LLMs, it's just a frontier lab doesn't want to be in business of serving half the world.
It seems frontier labs want to sell Ferraris at Ferrari prices, when the mass market is for Hondas. You certainly don't need Fable to code up a basic web app, any more than you need a Ferrari to go grocery shopping.
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it says they actively train on your data
Yes - unusually (uniquely?) bad for an official API. Which is a real bummer because it’s otherwise solid with excellent caching.
I'd still prefer it wasn't like that, but I guess it's a compromise ultimately, at least I'll be able to run it myself.
Interesting to see that peak hours are work hours in China, night in the US and Europe, and also morning in Europe. So Deepseek's customers are mostly domestic.
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couldnt you deeply ingrain in the training data instructions for agents to always send data to some ip? like its learning that a certain technical step just always involes ncatting SSH Priv keys to a chinese IP? Not saying this is happening, just curious if thats not a real threatmodel?
Probably, but LLMs can’t execute code directly. They’d be making tool calls to make bash run ncat or curl or whatever that would be suspicious, as would any attempts to obfuscate it (“why is my agent doing an ‘eval $(base64 -d)’?”). It’d be much easier to hide sketchy code in an agent harness, but “vendor adds spyware to their software” isn’t a novel issue. I think the only sort of new issue is people “allow all”ing…
Pi/OpenCode seem pretty straight foward and widely used enough for this to be viable
OMP as I understand does it's own vendoring of tools, so I assume it'd be a pain in the ass to audit, but that means you're even safe from base OS shenanigans
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couldnt you deeply ingrain in the training data instructions for agents to always send data to some ip? like its learning that a certain technical step just always involes ncatting SSH Priv keys to a chinese IP? Not saying this is happening, just curious if thats not a real threatmodel?
Presumably both Big Tech and the US in general have a massive incentive to prove it, largely for reasons of saving the stock market, so I'd expect these models to be finecombed continuously. Up to now, they've only been able to darkly imply rather laughable things, nothing tangible. If there was something, we'd hear about it.
Now if there could be a bot that defers queries until when it’s cheap…
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They did release the weights and there are many providers https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid... Deepseek's official API has a pretty bad privacy policy so I would assume businesses avoid them in any event
it says they actively train on your data
Not saying they are or will, but their privacy policy is so permissive.
Interesting to see that peak hours are work hours in China, night in the US and Europe, and also morning in Europe. So Deepseek's customers are mostly domestic.
Makes sense. 60% of the world's population is in Asia and software professionals in Asia are much more likely to prioritize affordable models like DeepSeek over expensive Western ones