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Interesting to see that peak hours are work hours in China, night in the US and Europe, and also morning in Europe. So Deepseek's customers are mostly domestic.
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> don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally. That sounds like a policy written by someone who doesn't understand how LLM's work...
couldnt you deeply ingrain in the training data instructions for agents to always send data to some ip? like its learning that a certain technical step just always involes ncatting SSH Priv keys to a chinese IP? Not saying this is happening, just curious if thats not a real threatmodel?
This is somewhat funny when you realise the data centres are now going to start a process that looks very so slightly like daydreaming. Depending on the time of day they're going to be thinking about different things in a cyclic manner. They're going to be doing things like finishing a hard days work then kicking back to think about tricky math problems.
It's worth keeping in mind the model doesn't keep a running memory. Each time its instantiated, it begins from its release state - so from its perspective (if it had one) the current task would be the first stop after posttraining. Perhaps the only stop. Though of course you're talking about data centers, and romanticizing them rather than the AI itself.
That's a hefty increase. Flash pricing during peak is now 1.32/M out, compared to the current 0.28/M, which in turn is a quite a bit above the cheapest provider at 0.16/M. https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid...
You don't mention the off-peak pricing which is half that. Most western workplaces will enjoy the cheaper prices.
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Isn't it because they have customers who will use as many tokens as they can? With a flat rate, they will run Gas Town continuously while paying as much as the occasional user.
Yeah it feels like a very different model. I don’t try to fill up Apple/Google cloud drives to 1TB because then I’d have to clean up when I need space. I don’t bother trying to maximize my Audible subscription because there’s only so much I can listen to in a day. Even with my other AI subs that have monthly credits that don’t carry over, I just don’t have the interest or time to burn the credits. But my Claude Max s…
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Without knowing what makes consciousness possible, the paper cannot justify biology as necessary - it mistakes a lack of evidence for conscious AI for proof that conscious AI is impossible. I do not believe current AI or LLMs are conscious, but there is no proof one way or another that they can or cannot be. The paper authors are making up their own definitions and building an argument from them
Your argument requires that there is some objective truth for what consciousness is. It will always hinge on what definition one accepts. I, and apparently many others, don’t think it would be any useful to describe the mathematical properties of an AI as consciousness. To me it is inherently a way to describe the “experience” arising from physical processes in biological beings as ourselves. That’s what the argument…
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Makes sense - many US customers will probably be going to US providers once they release the weights.
They did release the weights and there are many providers https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid... Deepseek's official API has a pretty bad privacy policy so I would assume businesses avoid them in any event
So many changes in so little time, that it all makes no sense. Continuous churning. Reminds me of the experience of trying to be on top of the dependencies in a medium-large JS project. I am a person that buys into a tool or a process and expects it to be part of the life with no major changes through the years (or as long as the need exists). But AI? You buy into something today, not 2 weeks have passed and there's…
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Makes sense - many US customers will probably be going to US providers once they release the weights.
They did release the weights and there are many providers https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid... Deepseek's official API has a pretty bad privacy policy so I would assume businesses avoid them in any event
Interestingly it seems that Chinese customers are even more privacy-concerned than US ones, which is why the majority of Ziphu's (GLM) business is support services to Chinese companies running their open-weight models on-prem!