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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Mildly surprising they lifted export restrictions for Mythos too. Isn’t that Fable minus the safety layer?

It was likely a dealbreaker for Anthropic, since the export control excluded Anthropic’s own foreign employees from being able to access Mythos internally. Naturally, this makes model development hard.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Speed.

Drawing debt

We'll just rebuild stuff when we get new requirements. The models will be even faster and better for the next version, anyway.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Any news why?

Probably didn't kiss ass as much as most other tech CEOs.

I presume this was one of the lowest points of Tim Cook’s career: https://youtu.be/kSAGUjY2HIs?is=my5VbCBB5Ku-MlLX

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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This is a great recipe for going out of business.

Any competitive business will accept this risk if it gives them any type of edge no matter the duration of that edge. This is no different that using an exotic raw material.

Every big business in the world biases towards risk reduction and cost reduction over getting an edge.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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I just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, et…

>> The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. I don’t agree with this at all. IMO Anthropic has shown that that are willing to take even significant financial hits in order to stand up to their values and mitigate what they consider to be dangers and risks. Some people don’t like that or think it’s just marketing. But that’s exactly what Inc…

This is assuming the whole "AI safety" thing was anything more than Silicon Valley kool aid. The government just bought into the marketing and radical safety woo woo wholesale and panicked.

You could legitimately argue this is a unique situation, a brief window where cybersecurity is being disrupted by new harnesses + a strong model. But that will be fleeting as other models and products adapt very quickly, and the long term benefits of keeping it from the market are questionable at best.

It's not a coincidence the export control was dropped after Dario (who is a hardcore AI safety activist much like Ilya Sutskever) was replaced by Tom Brown in the government negotiations.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

No nation is going to willingly release a model that can be used against it. Not even China. The moment they have a Mythos class model, they will go through the same process. The AmericanCorp models are far ahead of any other models so we see this process unfolding through that lens.

No Mythos class model will be allowed to be legally hosted for download on any service. All powerful nations will ban this since safeguards are not guaranteed by shady service providers running these models.

For the Chinese first party providers, they will be forced to implement the same process and safeguards, and they will not be allowed to release the model weights to the public.

Why? Because no sane nation is going to put that kind of capability in the hands of the public only for the public to use that power against that nations best interests.

Save this comment. It is prophesy.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Q: If/when Fable decides to nerd down to Opus on requests it deems dangerous, will we still pay the Fable API token rate?

If it’s blocked before any output, you’re billed only at Opus rates. If it’s blocked midstream, you’re billed Fable rates for what was generated so far, and Opus rates for the rest.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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The real problem is the White House just making up the rules as it goes. No laws. No predictably for the markets. A week or so pause from seemingly legitimate cyber security concerns isn’t cause for panic. But it should be backed by laws that describe what that process should be. That would put the market at ease

There’s no optimal answer. The reality is this is world-ending technology and absolutely nobody knows what to do or can even agree that the problem exists.

Photosynthesis once ended the world

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

This thinking that every task must be stuffed into the most 'advanced' (expensive) model out there is idiotic, and it's not only you unfortunately. At $JOB I have warned higher ups we should try to keep our expenditure under control, educate people that document slinging doesn't require Fable every time and demo the capabilities of the cheaper models, and been snubbed for it. When Fable is available once again our bi…

This! I've found that for most coding, Sonnet is pretty good as it is. Yeah, you might need to finesse your prompt a bit more, and you'll probably be spending a bit more time on the computer, rather than a more hands-off approach, but at the end of the day, you'll save a lot more simply because you're using a good-enough model.

If you're the one-shotting type, obviously then Fable might be useful, but I think only marginally. You don't need to bring a MANPADS to a duel at high noon.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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You're on Hacker News. This is a site full of developers who are convinced that "proper software engineering" is 100% of what makes a business successful, and everything and everyone else is useless. You can't just waltz in here and point out that code in business is a means to an end and expect not to get downvoted.

Every bit of code written in the last 50 years is going to be meaningless. People need to get to grips with that fast. Distribution, relationships, processes, mindshare, marketing, and politics matter. Code is just ephemeral glue and implementation detail.

Not every bit of code is going to be meaningless.

Just 99.999%.

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