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Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

We provide a similar service for Godot instead of Unity, and 20$ plan being exhausted in one prompt on a top model like Opus sounds about right. That's the life when you pay API prices and can't afford 10x subsidies.

Is this true even for more targeted prompts that aren't about looking over an entire codebase or w/e? I just stick to my sub pricing and find good success on targeted requests, but I wonder if I would run up against things even then if not for subsidies.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Without reliable benchmarks, they are Mythos-like only in the sense that they accept text as input and produce text as output.

I don't even look at benchmarks anymore. I just try different models as they're released on our large, proprietary, systems software codebases in real, shipping products or projects that will ship eventually. It's pretty clear which models help me do my job better or faster. I'm fortunate enough to have the token budget to use basically as much as I need, for now. No need for benchmarks, evals, marketing, system card…

I am not against AI but I do wonder how you guys handle the fact this leaks all your code and is stored forever on servers belonging to God knows who?

I “trust” OpenAI and Anthropic (somewhat) but to be honest I still feel only safe using it on code without any secret sauce whatsoever. Luckily that’s a lot of code, but still. I wonder how others are looking at this?

(FYI I feel the same about Github and we also don’t store our code there)

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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If you host it or are caught running it locally, then you go to jail. Since it's a national security issue, they'll be inclined to enforce aggressively.

Next we'll be putting smart people in jail for being too dangerous.

You jest, but clever folks with “dangerous knowledge” have to deal with pretty hefty guardrails.

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I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views. Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet. That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog sugg…

That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.

> That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability.

If you are spending all your time having to re-train because the boss doesn;t like the output, it will hamper coding

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It affects their ability to hire and retain talent.

If training a good model requires talent then that’s the answer to the question this thread is trying to answer: is training a good model actually that hard ?

Talent to do.. what? This could mean a lot of things.

Navigating astronomically huge fundamentally not so hard but still really tangly and hairy projects requiring both excellent short- and long-term vision in an overheated domain with angry people and lots of money is a skill all of its own.

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I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views. Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet. That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog sugg…

> A year ago none of my normie friends new them, and when i suggested using Claude looked at me like when I recommend Linux. Isn’t that still the case? Normies haven’t even heard about Claude, in my experience.

In my experience it has improved a bit, but 90% of my normies still have no idea. (It was 100% before)

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

We provide a similar service for Godot instead of Unity, and 20$ plan being exhausted in one prompt on a top model like Opus sounds about right. That's the life when you pay API prices and can't afford 10x subsidies.

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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All of the 11 grok co-founders alongside Elon quit: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/28/elon-musks-last-co-founder... so that will have hampered grok. Like Zuckerberg, top talent may not work with a polarising character if they disagree with his behaviour. Space focused talent don't have many choices aside from SpaceX but ai companies are a plenty and a top AI person can pick and choose.

The fact that you need top talent also suggests that it is indeed that hard

I dunno, if most of the top of a company quits it's extremely disruptive even if everyone else in the company is competent.

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> a TAM that consists almost solely of developers That’s the wrong assumption. These models are good at office docs too.

I have yet to see a model that can make a consistent and repeatable powerpoint deck that doesn’t need considerable manual revision Find me someone who is putting raw text in and getting out a usable weekly staff meeting deck that doesn’t require massive revisions

It’s hard not to be cynical as a dev. Every time I see a non-dev messing around with tooling I feel pain and discomfort.

You can bet your ass I can make AI make a consistent and repeatable powerpoint deck.

Problem is a) the need to produce this “deck” is questionable, at best and b) thinking in “powerpoint” is severely lobotomizing and limits you and your company in ways I find hard to even enumerate.

The exact same bullshit is going on with “word”. People can’t separate content from form apparently and that’s a debilitating disability no AI can fix. Creating AI to help you with “word” documents is an infinitude of stupidity so dark and so deep it makes my eyes water and fear for the future of humanity.

All I can say is imagine you do NOT have “powerpoint”. Let’s say all you have is a whiteboard with a 10% pen so you have to keep it short. What do you intend to communicate? Drill down and stop thinking in “powerpoint” and start thinking in content.

Content and form are orthogonal, repeat after me.

Once you have a stable and consistent information schema you can create “decks” till the cows come home and they’ll all be great. You won’t even need special AI for it in all likelihood. If you do not have a firm handle on the payload itself you’ll be forever tangling with “fonts” and “charts” getting none the wiser.

Oh man ya’ll are going to hate me so much so I’ll just spew further so I can get along with my day.

Imagine REST APIs being built around button designs, serialized CSS in business objects, in short imagine completely mishandling information and tanging it up with vague social indicators like “looks like he did work” and “this looks like an executive would be impressed”. Businesses are peddling proxies instead of raw information and for the love of God I can’t figure out why. AI or no AI this is a self-inflicted mutilation of such epic proportions I find it hard to imagine AI even budging the needle in such a low-density low-value environment.

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