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Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by jibal »

yonaguska wrote: post #122
jibal wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Aside from being extraordinarily intellectually lazy, bothsidesing actually enables corruption by failing to identify it, or failing to distinguish degrees of corruption that are so severe as to be more differences in kind than differences in degree. And thus in the U.S. we get Trump and his entire cabinet, Clarence Thomas and the rest of the Federalist Society, the Kochs, money pouring into elections via Cit…

It's not intellectually lazy, it's being intellectually tired. Both parties only every get anything done in this country when it comes to voting to restrict our rights. Ideologically, I'm slightly right leaning. My primary value is individual rights are more important. But if I could, I would vote for Ron Wyden(D) despite the fact that I disagree with many of his positions, he's still one of the few that has a spine…

> It's not intellectually lazy

Of course it is, naysayer.

> it's being intellectually tired.

Perhaps that's in part a cause of the former in your case ... but you aren't everyone and I was referring to bothsidesing generally.

> I just don't see the point of investing myself in caring when 98 percent of our reps just really don't care and only focus on manufacturing outrage around wedge issues that they can't or won't actually address so that they can keep their jobs and continue to accrue massive amounts of wealth from lobbying and insider trading.

More intellectual laziness, as well as intellectual dishonesty, offering ignorant simplistic but oh so handy explanations and excuses.

> We get Trump because the system is so thoroughly broken on both sides and enough people are frustrated the point that they are "protest" voting.

This is another fine example of such intellectual laziness. People who actually put in the effort to understand politics know how simplistic this is.

Since you're so tired and don't care, I won't respond further.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by jibal »

iamnothere wrote: post #135
js8 wrote: post #134

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I can understand it's tiring. But, as someone who was born in totalitarian regime - you still have plenty opportunities to change things in the U.S. Many U.S. states have direct democracy, which is unique in vast majority of the world. You still have free media. You can influence primaries of the two parties. I don't think people are "protest" voting. You're the one protest voting - by not voting at all. You should a…

The system does not allow good candidates to make it through to a vote. (When it does, they are quickly either ejected or “brought in” to the system.) There are other, more effective ways to vote than at the ballot box. Money, time, voice (depending on your reach), protest, direct action can all have a greater impact. IMHO building parallel systems is the most important thing right now, as the primary political syste…

> The system does not allow good candidates to make it through to a vote.

This simply isn't true. What is true is that there's a strong bias which makes it harder, but hyperbole is a form of lying.

> There are other, more effective ways to vote than at the ballot box. Money, time, voice (depending on your reach), protest, direct action can all have a greater impact.

False dichotomy/strawman ... no one said there aren't ... and many of these ways affect who wins elections.

I won't respond further.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by deaux »

Glyptodon wrote: post #154
deaux wrote: post #127

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I agree with some of them. Others need much more nuance. > - External map providers were iced out of hte market until this past year This was a positive for literally every Korean resident and only a negative for Google shareholders and a few tourists who had to download a local maps app. Boohoo, politicians doing things benefiting their people. > - You need a phone number to sign up for literally anything. The reali…

I don't get the phone number thing - why is needing a $20 burner phone to post on a forum or blog a positive?

A burner phone is a device, it doesn't come with a phone number. Phone numbers are all real-identity-tied, so what they really mean is _identity verification_ through phone number. Everyone on HN knows the downsides of that, but there's clear upsides too. It prevents most of the digital "This is why we can't have nice things". The US is on the path towards the worst of both worlds, services still require you to do identity verification but it involves sending your government ID and face video to Thiel-affiliated Persona.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by onesingleblast »

rurban wrote: post #128
rwmj wrote: post #13

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South Korea has history, for years their banking applications required ActiveX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_compatibility_issues_in_So...

And mandatory TLS backdoors, ie insecure transport level

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Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by iamnothere »

jibal wrote: post #172
iamnothere wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The system does not allow good candidates to make it through to a vote. (When it does, they are quickly either ejected or “brought in” to the system.) There are other, more effective ways to vote than at the ballot box. Money, time, voice (depending on your reach), protest, direct action can all have a greater impact. IMHO building parallel systems is the most important thing right now, as the primary political syste…

> The system does not allow good candidates to make it through to a vote. This simply isn't true. What is true is that there's a strong bias which makes it harder, but hyperbole is a form of lying. > There are other, more effective ways to vote than at the ballot box. Money, time, voice (depending on your reach), protest, direct action can all have a greater impact. False dichotomy/strawman ... no one said there aren…

You ignored the second part of my statement:

> (When it does, they are quickly either ejected or “brought in” to the system.)

As shown with Bernie (co-opted) and most recently with Massie (ejected). You’re not voting your way out of this.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by tenacious_tuna »

like_any_other wrote: post #167
pezezin wrote: post #164

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Actually a Greek word. Look, I didn't create the word. I live in Japan, the native word used here is 和 ("wa") that usually gets translated as "harmony": https://jisho.org/search/%E5%92%8C If you don't agree with it, you can complaint to centuries of translators and dictionary makers.

It's possible the Japanese/Korean/Chinese terms are also misused, to make the oppression more palatable. So the misuse is faithfully translated. That doesn't mean we should go along with it. Things should be named correctly.

What's "correct" in this context? From the State's perspective it _is_ harmony, regardless of the restriction on personal freedom.

A western-context example of the same phenomenon might be the American notion of freedom. Americans often frame freedom as an absence of government restriction, but that leaves you open to exploitation (or restriction) from private entities. The same definitional dissonance exists, but it depends on which line of the emotional divide you're sitting on.

How do you handle translating that into a language used largely in a context that doesn't have that history?

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by deaux »

HappMacDonald wrote: post #169
deaux wrote: post #125

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You're the one downplaying here. How many other non-Islamic countries where porn is entirely banned with the websites blocked? Doing deep packet inspection by default? (The difficulty of getting around this isn't very relevant) Besides authoritarian states and the US, how many where the government can read along in the most popular chat app? Can, say, the Belgium government read along with all messages on Whatsapp? H…

> Can, say, the Belgium government read along with all messages on Whatsapp? There is something to be said for "our populace relies on tech built by foreign companies" though. Said foreign company is at minimum less likely to install a backdoor for a local government (or be as easily hacked by said local government) than if popular language issues leave the ground ripe for local alternatives to be more popular.

Yes, that is about the single only upside to relying on US Big Tech rather than sovereign local tech. It doesn't nearly weigh up to the downsides, but it is a real thing. In Belgium's case though, even if every Belgian migrated iver to WhatsBelgian for their IMing needs tomorrow, given the competency of the government it would take at least a decade before they had things in place to read along.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, the point was that all above things do hold for Korea yet are not at all the norm in the West.

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