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Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by annoyingnoob »

GenerWork wrote: post #106
annoyingnoob wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

Those rules around special gasoline were made when both federal and California car exhaust regulations were much looser than today, and electric cars were a complete pipe dream. I've seen estimates ranging for savings from $.25 to $1 per gallon if California dropped the requirements. >Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Nice appeal to emotion.

How does ignoring real harm help? Because it cost you less?

https://www.clarity.io/blog/how-air-pollution-affects-childr...

https://www.clarity.io/blog/a-closer-look-at-los-angeles-inf...

"Poor air quality does not affect all parts of LA equally. Communities of color and low-income residents are disproportionately impacted by polluted air. In certain areas, traffic-related emissions, including nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and benzene concentrations, are up to 60% higher.

A study led by UCLA found that the air in disadvantaged neighborhoods contained not only more fine particulate matter, but also more toxic particulates as well. Places facing the most socioeconomic disadvantages “experience about 65% higher toxicity than people in the most advantaged group,” according to Suzanne Paulson, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and the senior author of the study.

These same groups often have less access to health care and good nutrition, putting them at an even greater health risk. Everyone deserves to breathe clean air, and communities of color and low-income residents are unfortunately facing the worst of LA’s notorious smog."

Saving a buck at the expense of someone with no control of their situation is a choice.

https://ifunny.co/picture/yes-the-planet-got-destroyed-but-f...

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #168
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #147

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Sure but do you recall what LA looked like in the 80's? The gas is more expensive but the unseen cost of that level of pollution is very high. The gov can solve all future gas problems with EV subsidies and manufacturers can help solve this problem by making affordable EVs, but getting the current admin or manufacturers to do either seems like a cruel joke at this point. The fed is going as far as to deny Chinese car…

Not everyone in California lives in LA or has LA’s problems.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by CamperBob2 »

wilg wrote: post #86
kyrra wrote: post #64

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California also needs a special blend that is only required in California (CARBOB). A lot of that is refined outside of the US, because there is not the capacity domestically. Cali could immediately have more fuel and cheaper prices by dropping their special requirements.

Nice of Donald Trump to force us into a choice between poisoning the air and financial hardship! But at least it was for a good reason: ???

Dogs and cats were being eaten, you see. And did you hear her laugh?

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by tharmas »

Avicebron wrote: post #66
tpurves wrote: post #45

What this article fails to mention is that there are also a record number of empty tankers routed to the US refineries right now, with the intention of shifting still-relatively cheap US oil products to overseas markets where the prices are already much higher and shortages have already hit. The effects of the Iran war on the US economy will really start to kick in over the next several months.

I suppose it's too much to ask that oil produced in the US be used for the US people?

That's what Canadian oil is for. The USA gets it at a discount price.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by jsbisviewtiful »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #172
jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but do you recall what LA looked like in the 80's? The gas is more expensive but the unseen cost of that level of pollution is very high. The gov can solve all future gas problems with EV subsidies and manufacturers can help solve this problem by making affordable EVs, but getting the current admin or manufacturers to do either seems like a cruel joke at this point. The fed is going as far as to deny Chinese car…

Not everyone in California lives in LA or has LA’s problems.

I won't engage any further with a strawman argument made in bad faith.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by kibwen »

com2kid wrote: post #110
kibwen wrote: post #74

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> Also our infra not being 240v is hurting us. The rest of the world can just plug in overnight to any regular outlet and it is good enough for almost any commute. US homes don't need any significant accommodations for 240 volt infra. Plenty of US home appliances are already 240 volt; this is a solved problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4

In other countries every outlet is 240, a regular extension cord to outlets in a apartment complex garage is 240. It is less overall amps than the beefy 240v an American dryer plugs into, but it is good enough. Meanwhile $3k to get 5 feet of 240 ran in a conduit and an outlet installed in the US. For many apartment and condo complexes, it just isn't doable as a reasonable retrofit.

> Meanwhile $3k to get 5 feet of 240 ran in a conduit and an outlet installed in the US.

If you're the homeowner you can do this work yourself, and the permits and inspections will cost a tenth of that. If you live in one of the few states where this isn't true, that's a you problem.

> For many apartment and condo complexes, it just isn't doable as a reasonable retrofit.

The problem with charging in apartments and condo complexes is not that US outlets are not 240 volts, it's that if those places provide places to park at all then there's little chance those parking spots are electrified at all in the first place.

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112
annoyingnoob wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

> Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? Yes. Most voters would, too. "Cheaper gas" understates how serious even a $20/week increase in living costs can be for a household on the margin.

Love living in the country with the highest GDP per capita than hearing stuff like this.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by traderj0e »

edmundsauto wrote: post #51
iqihs wrote: post #5

the entire economy of California being dependent on how Iran is feeling on a given day is crazy work

Isn’t it more dependent on how Trump is feeling? That makes it much more depressing for the leader of the country to be messing with our largest economy like this.

I began assuming long ago that Trump is just manipulating markets. Like my finances are managed under that assumption.

Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by hvb2 »

repelsteeltje wrote: post #62
hvb2 wrote: post #33

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The US is an exporter of oil, so no US state will run out. However, you do pay the market price.

The article mentions that California no longer is. Due to closures it is now a net importer of oil.

Sure, I'm trying to say that the US is not dependent on oil from the middle east, it produces a lot by itself
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