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Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by port11 »

otterley wrote: post #168
port11 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A corporation is made of people, but its ethos is the product of decision-making. If a corporation is consistently, say, unethical, is it because they hire only unethical individuals? Or because unethical people somewhere along the chain of command make unethical decisions?

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at with this question. It seems to still conflate corporate-level decisions with boots-on-the-ground work. Are you suggesting that whatever decisions their upper-level management makes that you consider unethical irreversibly and irrevocably taints all the difficult and honorable work that their engineers and operations people are performing?

I’m saying their lower-level employees are probably honest, hard-working people like everyone else. But the detachment that comes from a large corporate structure makes the higher-ups decide things that aren’t as honourable.

“Corporations are made up of people” is a strange way to excuse the reality that the ‘bad’ things that corporations do are often decided by top management.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by otterley »

port11 wrote: post #171
otterley wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at with this question. It seems to still conflate corporate-level decisions with boots-on-the-ground work. Are you suggesting that whatever decisions their upper-level management makes that you consider unethical irreversibly and irrevocably taints all the difficult and honorable work that their engineers and operations people are performing?

I’m saying their lower-level employees are probably honest, hard-working people like everyone else. But the detachment that comes from a large corporate structure makes the higher-ups decide things that aren’t as honourable. “Corporations are made up of people” is a strange way to excuse the reality that the ‘bad’ things that corporations do are often decided by top management.

Ah. I didn’t intend to excuse the decisions of upper management when I said that. My intent was to counter the notion that a corporation and its workers can’t be analyzed independently.

A corporation is just a business formation, and businesses are made of individual people working for it. Those people’s motivations and efforts can, and often should, be evaluated separately from the decisions of management.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by zipy124 »

jedberg wrote: post #92
zipy124 wrote: post #50

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But the amount of compute needed to serve is not very high. It's all text. The amount of bandwidth and compute needed to serve a Netflix or YouTube is far far harder and they managed just fine.

Netflix and YouTube both built custom CDNs. Netflix uses AWS for control plane only. Also, respectfully, you have no idea what you're talking about. "Just text" doesn't make it easy to solve. GitHub Actions aren't just text and take a lot of compute.

You're right, github actions do indeed take a lot of compute, but the status incidents do not seem to be limited to just actions.

I never said "just text" makes it easy to solve, just that I felt Netflix and YouTube solved harder (in terms of serving the load) problems, as demonstrated by their custom CDN's and other engineering feats. Youtube gets a similar number of videos uploaded to it a day as github gets commits now (20 vs 39 million, from the 275 million a week number listed elsewhere in this thread), and I can't believe that those are equivalently hard to serve in terms of compute and bandwidth.

I agree that it is not an easy problem to solve when load scales the way it has for them and I feel for the technical guys there, but I don't disagree with the level of dis-satisfaction directed their way when customers who pay GitHub large sums of money don't receive an adequate service.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by VirusNewbie »

otterley wrote: post #85
VirusNewbie wrote: post #73

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yes I would tell them "you're underpaid, if you can, come to a company that appreciates your talents more".

What you said came across as an adverse judgment of their skill and talent. Is that not what you meant?

I've interviewed at many large tech companies including Microsoft, and Microsoft Azure was mostly a clown show. So, yes I judge the talent there. I'm sure there are some superstars that I'd love to work with, maybe I'd even work there and try to fix it for the right price, but god damn was it a stark contrast to other companies.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by port11 »

otterley wrote: post #172
port11 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m saying their lower-level employees are probably honest, hard-working people like everyone else. But the detachment that comes from a large corporate structure makes the higher-ups decide things that aren’t as honourable. “Corporations are made up of people” is a strange way to excuse the reality that the ‘bad’ things that corporations do are often decided by top management.

Ah. I didn’t intend to excuse the decisions of upper management when I said that. My intent was to counter the notion that a corporation and its workers can’t be analyzed independently. A corporation is just a business formation, and businesses are made of individual people working for it. Those people’s motivations and efforts can, and often should, be evaluated separately from the decisions of management.

We agree, thank you for the clarification. Have a nice day!

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by RoddaWallPro »

jedberg wrote: post #44
jcgrillo wrote: post #38

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The whole "anyone can submit a PR" thing has been a UX issue from day one. That probably needs to go away, and I doubt anyone would really miss it. Where Github could help is by providing a means to build trust that doesn't involve random unknown people slinging code at projects.

Any sort of trust requirement would break the entire model and cause some serious inequality. How would a random kid in a 3rd world country ever get noticed enough to enter a trust circle, for example?

Mitchel Hashimoto started a tool for this, https://github.com/mitchellh/vouch.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by jcgrillo »

RoddaWallPro wrote: post #176
jedberg wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any sort of trust requirement would break the entire model and cause some serious inequality. How would a random kid in a 3rd world country ever get noticed enough to enter a trust circle, for example?

Mitchel Hashimoto started a tool for this, https://github.com/mitchellh/vouch .

This looks awesome thanks for the link.
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