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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by dbbk »

arjie wrote: post #15

Oh that's interesting. Right after they signed the deal with Amazon so maybe it was all compute constrained. In any case, I tried using the Codex $20/mo plan and the limits are so low I can hardly get anywhere before my agent swaps to a different agent. Somewhat suspicious that if I do this without an official Anthropic notice I'll lose my precious Max $200/mo account so I'll sit tight perhaps for a while.

They said from the beginning it was compute constraint and that OpenClaw was causing way more usage than they could handle

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by ethbr1 »

1una wrote: post #18

Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396

> No official statement and not even a tweet?

Release notes and announcements are a well-known agentic anti-pattern.

If you're doing them, you're doing agentic wrong. /s-ish-also-cry

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by dgellow »

bandrami wrote: post #157
hobom wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are taking in more than they are spending hosting them. However, the cost for training the next generation of models is not covered.

Nope. They're losing money on straight inference (you may be thinking of the interview where Dario described a hypothetical company that was positive margin). The only way they can make it look like they're making money on inference is by calling the ongoing reinforcement training of the currently-served model a capital rather than operational expense, which is both absurd and will absolutely not work for an IPO.

Do you have sources? I would be interested to read them

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Forgeties79 »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #98
1una wrote: post #18

Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396

This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity

^every comment when someone says something remotely negative about LLM’s and their less useful cousins, cryptocurrencies. It’s baffling how similar the language and attitude is sometimes.

Anthropic was, even to me, “one of the better ones” until recently. They have made many questionable/poor decisions the last 6-8 weeks and people are right to call them out for it, especially when they want our money.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Forgeties79 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #144
arcanemachiner wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering Anthropic is constantly doing the opposite, I would just call it "balance".

Not that I'm some paragon when it comes to critical thinking exactly, but if there any sort of proof or evidence of Anthropic "silencing negativity"? Wouldn't surprise me, but also haven't seen anything conclusive about it either, so spreading that they are as fact, is ironically FUD itself.

Name a startup that isn’t trying to downplay, scrub, or otherwise silence negative press.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #174
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity

^every comment when someone says something remotely negative about LLM’s and their less useful cousins, cryptocurrencies. It’s baffling how similar the language and attitude is sometimes. Anthropic was, even to me, “one of the better ones” until recently. They have made many questionable/poor decisions the last 6-8 weeks and people are right to call them out for it, especially when they want our money.

What's funny is I had personally settled on Anthropic as... the best of a bad situation, I guess? I found the tech useful even if I still deeply hate the industry and hype machine around it. Now though I can't get through a full discussion with Claude before the usage restrictions kick in, which has done a far better job getting me to kick the habit than anything else.

I still VERY occasionally use it (as I'm friggin able to anyway) but it's definitely nowhere near my usage previously. And I refuse to give them money, and besideswhich have no goddamn notion of whether it would even be worth it on the lowest paid tier.

Ah well. The free ride was fun but I knew it had a shelf life.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by embedding-shape »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #175
embedding-shape wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I'm some paragon when it comes to critical thinking exactly, but if there any sort of proof or evidence of Anthropic "silencing negativity"? Wouldn't surprise me, but also haven't seen anything conclusive about it either, so spreading that they are as fact, is ironically FUD itself.

Name a startup that isn’t trying to downplay, scrub, or otherwise silence negative press.

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bandrami »

dgellow wrote: post #173
bandrami wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. They're losing money on straight inference (you may be thinking of the interview where Dario described a hypothetical company that was positive margin). The only way they can make it look like they're making money on inference is by calling the ongoing reinforcement training of the currently-served model a capital rather than operational expense, which is both absurd and will absolutely not work for an IPO.

Do you have sources? I would be interested to read them

Probably the best roundup is Ed Zitron at https://wheresyoured.at

Half the articles are paywalled but the free ones outline the financial situation of the SOTA providers and he has receipts

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bandrami »

baruch wrote: post #160
bandrami wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

If they started doing caching properly and using proper sunrooms for that they'd have a better chance with that

If my empty plate had a pizza on it it would be a good lunch

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by holoduke »

stingraycharles wrote: post #74
filleokus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... Even when running it in mode 2 ("claude -p") they at certain points tried to detect OpenClaw-usage based prompts made, and blocked them [0]. Now OpenClaw says that Antrophic sanctions this as allowable again. I agree with GP that this is hard to take seriously. [0]: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357

I have never heard of this, and cannot be reproduced, and is not according to Anthropic's ToS. And there's a lot of FUD being spread around. They don't ban Openclaw prompts, each custom LLM application provides a client application id (this is how e.g. Openrouter can tell you how popular Openclaw is, and which models are used the most). Anthropic just checks for that.

Claude -p is using Claude cli. How can you know it's my own claw?
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