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End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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"fascism" has a pretty well defined meaning, which is not whatever the EU would become if something like chat control ever passes. Towards totalitarianism, sure, but again not all totalitarianism is fascism. I wish people would stop using le mot du jour as a replacement for everything in an subconscious need to increase others' engagement.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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No, this is the end of the wording for the initiative, nothing else. We will see many new initiatives, old wine in a new bottle. Any bet that EU diehard bureaucrats will change tune, not the goal. They are going to use the so called salami tactic. Death of free speech by many cuts, so to say. It is in the left wing DNA. Have a look at German history regarding "Landes-Verfassungsschutz" units. It is disturbing to read…

this is the end of the wording for the initiative, nothing else

it is more than that. since 2021 an EU interim regulation (2021/1232), set to expire on 3 april, was allowing companies to voluntarily scan messages. this vote was about the renewal of that regulation. since it has been rejected, the regulation is no longer in effect.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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I’m confused by > This means on April 6, 2026, Gmail, LinkedIn, Microsoft and other Big Techs must stop scanning your private messages in the EU It had already passed and started?

Gmail and likely others have been scanning at least emails for child pornography since the 2010s.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Its time to start trying to push Chat Control 2.0. With enough money and infinite retries eventually all the bad regulations with a power group behind will end being approved.

Or it will get a new name. Just like „Chat Control“ is far from the first name for this BS.

Call it `chatctl` and give it a CLI.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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The EU is fundamentally flawed. There are no checks and balances, and its only democratic if you squint and look at it the right way. People need to directly elect the MPs, directly elect some kind of president. They have no accountability, no checks and balances.

Checks and balances means some folks should NOT be directly elected. if everyone is , then you have checked and balanced by . Which is to say, not at all. :-P

one if the problems is that most elections are only for one person, so only the majority (the person with the most votes) wins.

give everyone half a dozen votes or more, and and you'll get a more representative sample.

for example instead of electing a president, elect a while leadership team. independent of party affiliation. (i'd get rid of parties completely while we are at it, every candidate should be independent (the expanded version of that gets even rid of candidates, every adult can potentially be elected, but that is a more complex system that needs more elaboration))

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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What's perfect is the marketing campaign to call it by what it actually wanted to do, ie Chat Control. Whoever did this was so successful that we didn't even know the bill's official name, instead knowing it by what it actually wanted to achieve. Good thing the EU didn't take a page out of the US' book, because things like the PATRIOT act are already pithy and hard to outmarket. If RPCCSA were actually called PROTECT…

It's just a HN thing though. Ask a European who isn't in tech, and they won't know what you're talking about. Maybe they will today specifically, this vote is bound to get some press, but in general, mainstream media doesn't care much about this bill. Even Europeans in tech who aren't in the "tech equivalent of gun nuts" culture that HN seems to exemplify are 50/50.

Yeah but that's the intended audience. The Europeans who aren't in tech weren't likely to know about this anyway.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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> Despite today’s victory, further procedural steps by EU governments cannot be completely ruled out. Most of all, the trilogue negotiations on a permanent child protection regulation (Chat Control 2.0) are continuing under severe time pressure. There, too, EU governments continue to insist on their demand for “voluntary” indiscriminate Chat Control. > Furthermore, the next massive threat to digital civil liberties i…

The timing of having Meta dropping encrypted chats on Instagram is...interesting.
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