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Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by anal_reactor »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #127
mschuster91 wrote: post #78

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> That is why there is a beauty industry that centers around women and none for men. Oh us men also have a beauty industry - or, I should rather say, an attractiveness industry. We just get sold different, and arguably far more pricier, things... luxury watches and cars, tailor-made suits and shoes, grooming, gym memberships. And similar to how women got anorexia through unhealthy beauty standards for decades, that c…

No. These aren't beauty. It's status symbols. They are symbols of power, capability and utility. Men are judged by raw power and capability. The industry for beauty for men is more of a way for men to advertise raw capability. It is not "beauty" for "beauties" sake. The beauty industry for women is more superficial. Make up for example serves nothing for status and everything for youth and beauty. Now there are thing…

The problem is that once people become aware how the society actually functions because of our biology, the social contract will collapse.

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Post by iamacyborg »

amelius wrote: post #163
Aurornis wrote: post #108

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> Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. I watched something like this happen in a friend, but as an outside observer I saw a different explanation: The period when he got into shape involved a lot of changes for the better in his life, including becoming more outgoing, motivated, and disciplined (necessary…

> He also bought a new wardrobe and replaced his old worn out logo T-shirts and cargo shorts with clothes more appropriate for an adult. I think the problem many __men__ have with that is that an "appropriate" wardrobe looks more uniform and less individualized, basically boring.

I don’t think that’s particularly true. There’s a lot you can do with texture, colours and silhouettes, even within items that are “the same”. I do think most men are pretty unimaginative when it comes to dressing themselves though, and most can’t even do basic things like getting trousers hemmed to fit them properly.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by account42 »

tokai wrote: post #54
StefanBatory wrote: post #8

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And a side note from me as a Pole - online I see many Americans speaking about how cruel Gaokao is, but... It's America that's outlier. I had the same style of exam in Poland to get to uni, and it's the same in the entire EU, and rest of the world. So I have no idea why Gaokao is singled out.

>and it's the same in the entire EU That's not true.

Yeah, I definitely didn't do any kind of entrance exam to get into University so unless there have been more recent changes to it it's not needed for all subjects. And its also not needed if you can just filter out bad students via normal exams in the first semesters.

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Post by simonask »

busterarm wrote: post #162
pm90 wrote: post #152

Our society has a lot of pretty privilege (and tall privilege for male identifying humans). Taking steps to address this is welcome.

Why though? Maybe the advantages are natural and our species is selecting for it.

Because we know better.

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Post by threethirtytwo »

circlefavshape wrote: post #148
threethirtytwo wrote: post #57

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It's easy. For women the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty. They are judged by it and the core of their power stems from it. That is why there is a beauty industry that centers around women and none for men. That is why women "care" about beauty much more than men. They know that beauty = power. Women rely on beauty for success much more than men. It is not just in terms of "grades". Even in engi…

> For women the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty Physical attractiveness is a social asset, and it's a more useful asset for a woman because men are affected by how women look more than the other way around - that's all fair enough ... but "the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty" is a bizarre framing.

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Post by taeric »

amelius wrote: post #163
Aurornis wrote: post #108

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> Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. I watched something like this happen in a friend, but as an outside observer I saw a different explanation: The period when he got into shape involved a lot of changes for the better in his life, including becoming more outgoing, motivated, and disciplined (necessary…

> He also bought a new wardrobe and replaced his old worn out logo T-shirts and cargo shorts with clothes more appropriate for an adult. I think the problem many __men__ have with that is that an "appropriate" wardrobe looks more uniform and less individualized, basically boring.

While I can kind of see what you are aiming at, a basic button down and clean pants go a long way. Keep it ironed and clean, and you go even further. No need for the anything that looks like a uniform.

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Post by simonask »

WarmWash wrote: post #156
keiferski wrote: post #9

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Don’t wealthier families hire tutors to prepare their children? That’s what happens in the US with the SAT/ACT. I think you’d need free, universal SAT tutoring available to everyone in order to be more meritocratic.

The actual problem is that we are not blank slates, and wealthy parents tend to be wealthy because they are more intelligent, and likewise give birth to predisposed-to-be-intelligent babies. I always find it slightly ironic how mother nature gets so much reverence from ostensibly communal types, despite her being the most shamelessly power hungry entity ever conceived.

This take is bafflingly unscientific. You are spewing pure unadulterated ideology here - a particularly ugly one too.

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Post by nemomarx »

amelius wrote: post #163
Aurornis wrote: post #108

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> Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. I watched something like this happen in a friend, but as an outside observer I saw a different explanation: The period when he got into shape involved a lot of changes for the better in his life, including becoming more outgoing, motivated, and disciplined (necessary…

> He also bought a new wardrobe and replaced his old worn out logo T-shirts and cargo shorts with clothes more appropriate for an adult. I think the problem many __men__ have with that is that an "appropriate" wardrobe looks more uniform and less individualized, basically boring.

Men's fashion is a little boring, but there's a lot you can play with in terms of fabric and accessories within it anyway. Men's wear blogs are kinda interesting

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Post by newsclues »

norome wrote: post #141
butILoveLife wrote: post #103

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Ive seen the opposite in some people. I know a ~55ish year old lady who is beautiful, but looks 55. I see her adjusting to her new reality and its painful. I imagine she used to be able to get away with being mean and sarcastic because she was so hot. Now it just causes office fights. "I wont work with X" is something Ive heard. The interesting part is that I originally only worked with her on the phone, so I always…

plenty of mean and sarcastic ugly people around too

Some ugly people are mean because they are ugly and take their frustrations out on the world.

Some pretty people are mean because they can get away with it and never learned that it's often counterproductive in the long term.

This is just some people, others act differently.

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