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Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by norome »

butILoveLife wrote: post #103
elevatortrim wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think being conventionally attractive gives you a lot more chance practice socialising and my observation is that, people who use that chance get so good at it, they remain very good at relationships even at old age.

Ive seen the opposite in some people. I know a ~55ish year old lady who is beautiful, but looks 55. I see her adjusting to her new reality and its painful. I imagine she used to be able to get away with being mean and sarcastic because she was so hot. Now it just causes office fights. "I wont work with X" is something Ive heard. The interesting part is that I originally only worked with her on the phone, so I always…

plenty of mean and sarcastic ugly people around too

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

TrackerFF wrote: post #68

People that have used to be fat, and then lost a lot of weight, will know how brutally different people will treat you. Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. Some will of course argue that you losing weight will also make you more confident, and thus you become more approachable. I think there's a lot of bi…

Height as a man is also a huge bonus, at least in the cultures to which I’ve been exposed. There are examples I can think of men not being conventionally attractive, but just in the top quintile of height, and receiving special attention in dating and leadership opportunities.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by threethirtytwo »

atmavatar wrote: post #129
threethirtytwo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy. For women the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty. They are judged by it and the core of their power stems from it. That is why there is a beauty industry that centers around women and none for men. That is why women "care" about beauty much more than men. They know that beauty = power. Women rely on beauty for success much more than men. It is not just in terms of "grades". Even in engi…

> And she's not even aware of this. Like she thinks people are just "nice". Social graces require that she play it off as people being "nice", but I guarantee you she knows precisely what's going on. Women aren't stupid. She may have even deliberately cultivated this relationship, but that's not something a rando internet person like I can determine.

You're right. Many women know what's going on. But many actually don't.

A lot of women live in this contradictory state where they know subconsciously but consciously they don't know at the same time. To help illustrate... It's the same type of human contradiction many software engineers face with AI, unable to admit that it's in the process replacing a skillset that upheld their identity. It's a form of lying to oneself... convincingly.

I would say off the seat of my pants if I were to give you very very estimated numbers.... like 45% know explicitly what they are doing, than 35% live in this contradictory state I described above, and a good 20% have no clue.

>She may have even deliberately cultivated this relationship

Oh many women do this. But they don't necessarily know that these relationships only exist because they are beautiful and that they are women. Again... many know... but not all know.

>Women aren't stupid.

This isn't true. Many women are really stupid. Many women are smart too.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by PurpleRamen »

tyjen wrote: post #91
keiferski wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t wealthier families hire tutors to prepare their children? That’s what happens in the US with the SAT/ACT. I think you’d need free, universal SAT tutoring available to everyone in order to be more meritocratic.

Khan Academy was free and used to obtain 99th percentile SAT scores. Academic resources for success are abundantly available, but they require discipline, time, and effort.

> Khan Academy was free and used to obtain 99th percentile SAT scores.

Is it not free anymore?

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Post by nsxwolf »

TrackerFF wrote: post #68

People that have used to be fat, and then lost a lot of weight, will know how brutally different people will treat you. Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. Some will of course argue that you losing weight will also make you more confident, and thus you become more approachable. I think there's a lot of bi…

Women maybe? I have lost weight and remained completely invisible to the world.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

TrackerFF wrote: post #68

People that have used to be fat, and then lost a lot of weight, will know how brutally different people will treat you. Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. Some will of course argue that you losing weight will also make you more confident, and thus you become more approachable. I think there's a lot of bi…

It is the same with being accompanied by a very beautiful woman.

Without changing at all, the difference of how people treat you when you are accompanied by a very beautiful woman is staggering. People are more nice and polite even dare I say subservient. People low key treat you like you are some sort of important person.

Beauty, and proximity to it, was is and will be a social status symbol.

My pet theory is that it is a term in the objective function to limit the mutation rate; hence the theories that claim that beautiful faces are the "averaged" faces of a race/ethnic group

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by Spooky23 »

kxrm wrote: post #61

My first job during and out of college back in 2003, we were entirely remote. We hired exclusively over the phone which resulted in a mix of people that were completely diverse in their backgrounds and at the same time truly qualified to do the work. The company went on to grow quite successfully until it was acquired 6 years later. I feel that zoom and video conferencing allows some of that "appearance" factor back…

> job interviews would be exclusively audio only.

Have fun. If you do it in volume, you'll get scammed pretty badly. Both by luck of the draw, and scammers actively targeting you.

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Post by circlefavshape »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #57
Mistletoe wrote: post #2

I wonder why the beauty premium remained for males after the switch to online but not in females?

It's easy. For women the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty. They are judged by it and the core of their power stems from it. That is why there is a beauty industry that centers around women and none for men. That is why women "care" about beauty much more than men. They know that beauty = power. Women rely on beauty for success much more than men. It is not just in terms of "grades". Even in engi…

> For women the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty

Physical attractiveness is a social asset, and it's a more useful asset for a woman because men are affected by how women look more than the other way around - that's all fair enough ... but "the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty" is a bizarre framing.

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Post by nemomarx »

JR1427 wrote: post #104
kxrm wrote: post #61

My first job during and out of college back in 2003, we were entirely remote. We hired exclusively over the phone which resulted in a mix of people that were completely diverse in their backgrounds and at the same time truly qualified to do the work. The company went on to grow quite successfully until it was acquired 6 years later. I feel that zoom and video conferencing allows some of that "appearance" factor back…

> if I had my way, job interviews would be exclusively audio only. The problem just shifts. People with attractive voices would then have an advantage.

At least voice coaching / training is relatively accessible? A lot easier than some physical features imo.

And you could argue having a clear easy to understand voice is a job skill for most positions, I think.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

TrackerFF wrote: post #68

People that have used to be fat, and then lost a lot of weight, will know how brutally different people will treat you. Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. Some will of course argue that you losing weight will also make you more confident, and thus you become more approachable. I think there's a lot of bi…

Among all the other reasons that people have explained that this isn’t exactly correct a probably isn’t entirely attributed to just weight… I’ll make an opposite proposition.

Perhaps we are evolutionarily programmed to avoid people with impulse control issues?

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