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MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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The UK doesn’t have a written constitution, it does have one though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kin...

Right but if you read that page you quickly come to the quote "Parliament can make or unmake any law". Technically there is judicial review now, so there is some restrictions, but not like in a USA style constitution.

Same is true in the US though? Surely that’s what all those amendments are

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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The history of Palantir: Christine Maxwell and Alan Wade found Chiliad, a database surveillance application that was used in the FBI. Then Alan Wade became CIO at the CIA. Then In-Q-Tel (CIA) co-founded Palantir with Thiel. Karp, who was at Haverford college with Epstein's neighbor Lutnick, became the philosophical ideologue for Palantir. With these overt and easily verifiable connections it is beyond belief that any…

"it is beyond belief that any European state would even consider using Palantir".

Germany's PM was formerly at BlackRock. What exactly do you find so hard to believe?

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Can someone explain why Palantir are seen as such a threat? My understanding is their product is a PowerBI++ and they don't host any user data themselves. Are people scared of backdoors?

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Uh… have you heard Thiel talk? If that’s not evil, I don’t know what is.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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I think there is a minimum standard of being informed before you can start to question others. Thiel is on the record in many ways that would justify the GPs statement. Yes, it is fair to say basically no one should be trusted with large piles of government data, but this holds more true for the the likes of Thiel who have indicated that they are willing to abuse such access.

> Thiel is on the record in many ways that would justify the GPs statement. Thiel is on the record saying he would use the data to make health and security worse? On the record saying he would abuse access? AFAICT this is not true.

I'll just give you one, and you can google for others:

"I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible."

For a guy with his access to data, yes, that makes everybody's security worse.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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I see the UK government hasn't been on a good run lately. Google recently released the Cloud Threat Horizons H1 2026 report. A vulnerability in the OIDC trust policy can be exploited to gain admin access to AWS. The UK Government Digital Service was one of the affected organizations. Datadog found their IAM role misconfigured the same way.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Uh… have you heard Thiel talk? If that’s not evil, I don’t know what is.

Clearly not or are being very dishonest with themselves.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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How is this not shut down in any form? This is actual insanity.

Why is it any of our business what this guy says in his free time if it's not advocating for violence?

If this guy was some raving lunatic on a corner I wouldn't care. But he's got a country sized megaphone thanks to money and has also bought the government. So it does unfortunately matter that he's an insane christian cretin that wants to see the current form of government destroyed.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Why do the worst companies have the best names.

Palantir isn't a good name. It's a disastrously bad one, if you ask me. It's a constant scandal as every five minutes somebody gets the bright idea that "ackshually the Palantir were a tool for evil made by a demon!!" They're never able to live it down. It always comes up. And it makes them seem, in a way, careless.

It's a great name if your target customer base is people who want to be evil by surveilling everything. Behold my next company, "Eye of Sauron LLC"

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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> Thiel is on the record in many ways that would justify the GPs statement. Thiel is on the record saying he would use the data to make health and security worse? On the record saying he would abuse access? AFAICT this is not true.

I'll just give you one, and you can google for others: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." For a guy with his access to data, yes, that makes everybody's security worse.

This is an incomplete quote from a pro-freedom essay: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

Edit: Also, that quote does not provide evidence that he is "on the record" saying he would abuse access or make health or security worse.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Can someone explain why Palantir are seen as such a threat? My understanding is their product is a PowerBI++ and they don't host any user data themselves. Are people scared of backdoors?

For a company that tries exclusively to sell to people that are very far removed from the use (government), yet have onerous reporting standards for all spending (government), there sure is very little independent reporting on the efficacy of whatever it is they are even selling. Even the contract with NHS was heavily censored. So frankly I oppose it on that ground alone.
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