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Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #153

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Another way to counteract enshittification is to pay for things, then stop paying when they enshittify.

just stop paying them, as though migrating to an alternative is free and easy

In this case it really is easy. It's just wireguard with some NAT negotiation sauce and convenient auth layer.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #149

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Open source = I should be able to fork it, change it, and use it Open source = The maintainers should build exactly what I hysterically scream at them If I had to choose one definition of open source from these two options, it's going to option 1 I'm afraid.

Once again confusing Open Source with Free Software.

Neither "open source" nor "free software" has ever meant that the developers must accept contributions from third parties.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #151

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I think how it works usually is that they let you use the features from higher tier plans than the one you're on; once you use them enough they send you an email asking to upgrade. That's what happened to us and I've seen other users mention it. Not sure how I felt about it, OTOH maybe it was less friction than explicitly subscribing for some "2 weeks free trial" or whatever but OTOH it did feel weird and unexpected.…

Hmm... Ok I checked the pricing page and funnel is available in the free tier (limited to 3 users) but not the $6/user/month tier - which you need for more than 6 users... strange pricing structure but I guess I see the logic. Any chance you were asked to upgrade from $6/user/month to $18/user/month and not free to $18/user/month? https://tailscale.com/pricing#application-networking

Yes, we were on the starter $6 plan. The feature we got messaged about was SSH management, iirc.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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just stop paying them, as though migrating to an alternative is free and easy

In this case it really is easy. It's just wireguard with some NAT negotiation sauce and convenient auth layer.

You're doing the Dropbox rsync comment.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

#175
post #158

I haven't really dived into Tailscale et al because I'm still using Tinc; and the bulk of this discussion continues to make me not want to. What's the big deal here? Any good reason to switch (besides Tinc's obscurity?)

tinc is cool. Keep using it.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

#176
post #128

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Being open source means very little when they won't merge PRs, like this one to support disabling streaming one's network behavior to ` log.tailscale.com`: https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale-android/pull/695

Let's stop moving the goalposts. Open source has a specific definition, and "they merge whatever code I want them to" isn't part of it. Just fork the client, compile it, and run it yourself.

An option to disable telemetry is important.

It's not "whartever code".

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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How does Tailscale make money? I really like their service but I'm worried about a rug pull in the future. Has anyone tried alternative FOSS solutions? Also, sometimes it seems like I get rate limited on Tailscale. Has anyone had that experience? This usually happens with multiple SSH connections at the same time.

OpenZiti (Apache 2.0): https://github.com/openziti/ziti

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Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #176

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Let's stop moving the goalposts. Open source has a specific definition, and "they merge whatever code I want them to" isn't part of it. Just fork the client, compile it, and run it yourself.

An option to disable telemetry is important. It's not "whartever code".

You're welcome to fork it

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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post #32

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Zerotier is not the same as tailscale although both can be used to do the same, but under the hood both are fundamentally different, ZT is layer2 like switch, so it’s like an Ethernet meanwhile TS is built on top of wireguard and is layer3. ZT allows broadcast/multicast and has own protocol, TS don’t. I use both among others, and ZT since around 2019, I found it reliable in some cases in IoT world while TS had better…

Yeah, they're not direct replacements. I think both models have have their pros and cons. In fact I tried both around when covid shutdowns started (server being in the office, me at home), and liked zerotier better; it was faster, and a more generous free tier. But now tailscale has won out for a couple of reasons; the main one, it's simply less flaky for us on macOS, especially for devs working overseas. No idea why…

I had to do MTU tuning on macos on the ZeroTier interface (find your feth name via ifconfig)

# Replace feth1234/feth2345 with your active interface

sudo ifconfig feth1234 mtu 1400

sudo ifconfig feth2345 mtu 1400

..and for working with Windows peers, manually "Orbit" the Windows Peer as well as adding a direct routing hint for the internal ZeroTier IP. ZT definitely takes some effort for tuning.

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