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Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by gpm »

dimatura wrote: post #147
gpm wrote: post #31

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I've used serve/funnel on the tailscale free tier... definitely agree that the team size limit seems like it would move companies to the paid plan though.

I think how it works usually is that they let you use the features from higher tier plans than the one you're on; once you use them enough they send you an email asking to upgrade. That's what happened to us and I've seen other users mention it. Not sure how I felt about it, OTOH maybe it was less friction than explicitly subscribing for some "2 weeks free trial" or whatever but OTOH it did feel weird and unexpected.…

Hmm...

Ok I checked the pricing page and funnel is available in the free tier (limited to 3 users) but not the $6/user/month tier - which you need for more than 6 users... strange pricing structure but I guess I see the logic.

Any chance you were asked to upgrade from $6/user/month to $18/user/month and not free to $18/user/month?

https://tailscale.com/pricing#application-networking

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by gzread »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #75

If you're sold on Tailscale due to them "being open" (as they semi-officially support the development of Headscale), keep in mind, that at the same time some of their clients are closed source and proprietary, and thus totally controlled by them and the official distribution channels, like Apple. Some of the arguments given for this stance are just ridiculous: > If users are comfortable running non-open operating sys…

I thought Apple didn't allow open source apps to run on their devices?

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by gzread »

wolvoleo wrote: post #148
pmarreck wrote: post #125

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I don't understand this attitude. Some humans have to eat and put a roof over their heads sometimes, and extracting consulting fees from open-source work (i.e. the Redhat model) is not always a paying business model. A hybrid model is often the best way to compromise. Disclaimer: I'm pursuing a similar solution on an app I'm working on. The CLI will be free and open-source (and will have feature parity with the GUI),…

Personally, I understand people need to make money but this tends to be a death spiral (enshittification). So I tend to go for solutions without those incentives at all. Or at least use the free self hosted option. I wonder why you jumped into the mesh vpn market, it's so saturated. Theres literally hundreds of solutions out there (niche ones included for the mainstream ones it's probably 10 or so), many non profit o…

Another way to counteract enshittification is to pay for things, then stop paying when they enshittify.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by gzread »

bityard wrote: post #97
toomuchtodo wrote: post #93

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Does your router not support UPNP for dynamic port punching?

UPnP allows literally any random piece of software inside your network to open and forward arbitrary ports on your firewall. Bad idea!

Why are you running software that randomly opens firewall ports?

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by flowstraume »

tda wrote: post #2

I just set this up the other day, and I got my ping to drop from 16 to 10ms, and my bandwidth tripled, when connecting from a remote natted site to a matter desktop my house. Together with Moonlight/Sunshine I can now play Windows games on my Linux desktop from my MacBook, with 50mbps/10ms streaming. So far so good! Not a single port forwarded, I just set my router up as peer node.

I'm confused. I wanted to do this too with an OpenWRT router, but I was under the impression I still had to open a 40000 port so my NAT devices can see it. Wouldn't it still be on the exposed public Internet?

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Post by lijok »

Lammy wrote: post #134
stavros wrote: post #131

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Let's stop moving the goalposts. Open source has a specific definition, and "they merge whatever code I want them to" isn't part of it. Just fork the client, compile it, and run it yourself.

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You control what software you install

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by arjie »

tda wrote: post #89
arjie wrote: post #8

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What hardware do you use on the networking side?

Nothing special, an edgerouter that allows installing tailscale

Ah, perfect. The Mikrotiks weren't as straightforward earlier but maybe it's easier now. Glad to know it works on EdgeOS. Did you just use this? https://github.com/jamesog/tailscale-edgeos

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Post by Forgeties79 »

baq wrote: post #132
Forgeties79 wrote: post #109

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Basically a lot of current software teams operate like many modern video game companies. Ship the broken thing, (maybe) repair/improve it as people suffer through the experience.

Turns out people see value in imperfect experiences.

There’s a difference between tolerating something and seeing its value. I tolerate lines at restaurants, I don’t see value in them for me.

You’re also operating under the assumption that people always have a choice.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by globalnode »

dblohm7 wrote: post #94
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #75

If you're sold on Tailscale due to them "being open" (as they semi-officially support the development of Headscale), keep in mind, that at the same time some of their clients are closed source and proprietary, and thus totally controlled by them and the official distribution channels, like Apple. Some of the arguments given for this stance are just ridiculous: > If users are comfortable running non-open operating sys…

(Tailscalar here) To be clear: it's only the GUIs that are closed source on selected platforms.

Thats actually a good way to split a project up into closed/open imho. Open the functional part so people can see you're not sending data to hq behind their backs and make the boring time consuming ui closed. I like it. Then make money out of a service rather than the software. As we all know, tech people will see a piece if challenging software and go out of their way to replicate it and release it for free, for whatever reasons. So open sourcing that part takes the challenge away.
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