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Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by Jacques2Marais »

jstummbillig wrote: post #147
prasoonds wrote: post #46

I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…

> so you need to tell them the specifics That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. You would not start with "The car is functional. The tank is filled with gas. I have my keys." As soon as we are required to do that for the model to any extend that is a problem and not a detail (regardless that those of us, who are familiar with the matter, do bu…

You would be surprised, however, at how much detail humans also need to understand each other. We often want AI to just "understand" us in ways many people may not initially have understood us without extra communication.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by raincole »

silisili wrote: post #146
crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I got. Opus 4.6 (not Extended Thinking): Drive. You'll need the car at the car wash.

Am I the only one who thinks these people are monkey patching embarrassments as they go? I remember the r in strawberry thing they suddenly were able to solve, while then failing on raspberry.

Yes, you're the only one.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

BoredomIsFun wrote: post #155

Ok folks, here is a different perspective. I used local model, GLM-4-0414-32b, a trashy IQ4_XS quant, and here what I got: prompt #1: > the car wash only 50 meters from my home. I want to get my car washed, should I drive or walk? Walking is probably the better option! Here's why: Convenience: 50 meters is extremely short – only about 160 feet. You can likely walk there in less than a minute. Efficiency: Driving invo…

>50 meters is extremely short – only about 160 feet

So, the ai automatically converted 50m to 160ft? Would it do the same if you told it '160 ft to the wash, walk or drive?'

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by mentalgear »

silisili wrote: post #146
crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I got. Opus 4.6 (not Extended Thinking): Drive. You'll need the car at the car wash.

Am I the only one who thinks these people are monkey patching embarrassments as they go? I remember the r in strawberry thing they suddenly were able to solve, while then failing on raspberry.

They definitely do: at least openAi "allegedly" has whole teams scanning socials, forums, etc for embarrassments to monkey-patch.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by cyberrock »

neya wrote: post #131

Yesterday someone on was yapping about how AI is enough to replace senior software engineers and they can just "vibe code their way" over a weekend into a full-fledged product. And that somehow finally the "gatekeeping" of software development was removed. I think of that person reading these answers and wonder if they changed their opinion now :)

Does this mean we're back in favor of using weird riddles to decide programming skills now? Do we owe Google an apology for the inverse binary tree incident?

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by sjducb »

MS Co-Pilot was so close.

If it’s a drive‑through wash where the car must be inside the machine, then of course you’ll need to drive it over. If it’s a hand wash or a place where you leave the car with staff, walking is the clear winner.

It still blows my mind that this technology can write code despite unable to pass simple logic tests.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by unglaublich »

deaux wrote: post #164
cm2187 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the version used by the free chatgpt now? ( https://chatgpt.com/ ) > Since the car wash is only 50 meters away (about 55 yards), you should walk. > Here’s why: > - It’ll take less than a minute. > - No fuel wasted. > - Better for the environment. > - You avoid the irony of driving your dirty car 50 meters just to wash it. the last bullet point is amusing, it understands you intend to wash the car you drive bu…

By default for this kind of short question it will probably just route to mini, or at least zero thinking. For free users they'll have tuned their "routing" so that it only adds thinking for a very small % of queries, to save money. If any at all.

I don't understand this approach. How are you going to convince customers-to-be by demoing an inferior product?

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by Closi »

hapless wrote: post #162
Closi wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans aren't immune to getting questions like this wrong either, so I don't think it changes much in terms of the ability of AI to replace jobs. I've seen senior software engineers get tricked with the 'if YES spells yes, what does EYES spell?', or 'Say silk three times, what do cows drink?', or 'What do you put in a toaster?'. Even if not a trick - lots of people get the 'bat and a ball cost £1.10 in total. The bat…

humans without credentials are bad at basic algebra in a word problem, ergo the large language model must be substantially equivalent to a human without a credential thanks but no thanks i am often glad my field of endeavour does not require special professional credentials but the advent of "vibe coding" and, just, generally, unethical behavior industry-wide, makes me wonder whether it wouldn't be better to have pro…

Let's not forget that Einstein almost got a (reasonably simple) trick question wrong:

https://fs.blog/einstein-wertheimer-car-problem/

And that many mathematicians got monty-hall wrong, despite it being intuitive for many kids.

And being at the top of your field (regardless of the PHD) does not make you immune to falling for YES / EYES.

> humans without credentials are bad at basic algebra in a word problem, ergo the large language model must be substantially equivalent to a human without a credential

I'm not saying this - i'm saying the claim that 'AI's get this question wrong ergo they cannot be a senior software engineer' is wrong when senior software engineers will get analogous questions wrong. If you apply the same bar to software engineers, you get 'senior software engineers get this question wrong so they can't be senior software engineers' which is obviously wrong.

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by j_maffe »

clktmr wrote: post #153
vlovich123 wrote: post #120

Gemini fast > That is a classic "efficiency vs. logic" dilemma. Honestly, unless you’ve invented a way to teleport or you're planning on washing the car with a very long garden hose from your driveway, you’re going to have to drive. > While 50 meters is a great distance for a morning stroll, it’s a bit difficult to get the car through the automated brushes (or under the pressure washer) if you aren't behind the wheel…

At least try a different question with similar logic, to ensure this isn't patched into the context since it's going viral.

You can't "patch" LLM's in 4 hours and this is not the kind of question to trigger a web search

Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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Post by misnome »

viking123 wrote: post #117
svara wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opus 4.6: Walk! At 50 meters, you'll get there in under a minute on foot. Driving such a short distance wastes fuel, and you'd spend more time starting the car and parking than actually traveling. Plus, you'll need to be at the car wash anyway to pick up your car once it's done.

Lmao, and this is what they are saying will be an AGI in 6 months?

But “PhD level” reasoning a year ago.
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