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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by mbreese »

Ensorceled wrote: post #169
bojangleslover wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely different situations. None of the MinIO team worked for free. MinIO is a COSS company (commercial open source software). They give a basic version of it away for free hoping that some people, usually at companies, will want to pay for the premium features. MinIO going closed source is a business decision and there is nothing wrong with that. I highly recommend SeaweedFS. I used it in production for a long…

> > Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. > Completely different situations. None of the MinIO team worked for free. MinIO is a COSS company (commercial open source software). MinIO is dealing with two out of the three issues, and the company is partially providing work for free, how is t…

The MinIO business model was a freemium model (well, Open Source + commercial support, which is slightly different). They used the free OSS version to drive demand for the commercially licensed version. It’s not like they had a free community version with users they needed to support thrust upon them — this was their plan. They weren’t volunteers.

You could argue that they got to the point where the benefit wasn’t worth the cost, but this was their business model. They would not have gotten to the point where the could have a commercial-only operation without the adoption and demand generated from the OSS version.

Running a successful OSS project is often a thankless job. Thanks for doing it. But this isn’t that.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by dizhn »

PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

Both rustfs and seaweedfs are pretty pretty good based on my light testing.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by mactavish88 »

jbstack wrote: post #27
muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

I hear this perspective a lot in relation to open source projects.

What it fails to recognize is the reality that life changes. Shit happens. There's no way to predict the future when you start out building an open source project.

(Coming from having contributed to and run several open source projects myself)

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by jodrellblank »

sshine wrote: post #148
bojangleslover wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely different situations. None of the MinIO team worked for free. MinIO is a COSS company (commercial open source software). They give a basic version of it away for free hoping that some people, usually at companies, will want to pay for the premium features. MinIO going closed source is a business decision and there is nothing wrong with that. I highly recommend SeaweedFS. I used it in production for a long…

Wasabi looks like a service. Any recommendation for an in-cluster alternative in production? Is that SeaweedFS?

I’ve never heard of SeaweedFS, but Ceph cluster storage system has an S3-compatible layer (Object Gateway).

It’s used by CERN to make Petabyte-scale storage capable of ingesting data from particle collider experiments and they're now up to 17 clusters and 74PB which speaks to its production stability. Apparently people use it down to 3-host Proxmox virtualisation clusters, in a similar place as VMware VSAN.

Ceph has been pretty good to us for ~1PB scalable backup storage for many years, except that it’s a non-trivial system administration effort and needs good hardware and networking investment, and my employer wasn't fully backing that commitment. (We’re moving off it to Wasabi for S3 storage). It also leans more towards data integrity than performance, it's great at being massively-parallel and not so rapid at being single thread high-IOPs.

https://ceph.io/en/users/documentation/

https://docs.ceph.com/en/latest/

https://indico.cern.ch/event/1337241/contributions/5629430/a...

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by welcome_dragon »

spapas82 wrote: post #167

Has anybody actually tried AIStor ? Is it possible to migrate/upgrade from a minio installation to AIStor ? It seems to be very simple, just change the binary from minio to aistor: https://docs.min.io/enterprise/aistor-object-store/upgrade-a... Is AIStor Free really free like they claim here https://www.min.io/pricing , i.e Free For developers, researchers, enthusiasts, small organizations, and anyone comfortable wit…

Fool me once ...

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by _joel »

mattbee wrote: post #125

This has been on the cards for at least a year, with the increasingly doomy commits noted by HN. Unfortunately I don't know of any other open projects that can obviously scale to the same degree. I built up around 100PiB of storage under minio with a former employer. It's very robust in the face of drive & server failure, is simple to manage on bare hardware with ansible. We got 180Gbps sustained writes out of it, wi…

Ceph, definitely.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by growse »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #73
growse wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a social contract, which for many people is a moral contract.

Where is this mythical social contract found? I stand by my point: it's a software license, not a marriage. Free users certainly would like it to be a social contract like I would like to be gifted a million dollars. Sadly, I still have to work and can't infinitely rely on the generosity of others.

The social contract is found (and implicitly negotiated) in the interactions between humans, ie: society.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by Zambyte »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #38
PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

I'm the author of another option ( https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash ) which has a S3 gateway that expose itself as a S3 server but is just a proxy that forward your S3 call onto anything else like SFTP, local FS, FTP, NFS, SMB, IPFS, Sharepoint, Azure, git repo, Dropbox, Google Drive, another S3, ... it's entirely stateless and act as a proxy translating S3 call onto whatever you have connected in the oth…

Another alternative that follows this paradigm is rclone

https://rclone.org/commands/rclone_serve/

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