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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by cookiengineer »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #38
PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

I'm the author of another option ( https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash ) which has a S3 gateway that expose itself as a S3 server but is just a proxy that forward your S3 call onto anything else like SFTP, local FS, FTP, NFS, SMB, IPFS, Sharepoint, Azure, git repo, Dropbox, Google Drive, another S3, ... it's entirely stateless and act as a proxy translating S3 call onto whatever you have connected in the oth…

Didn't know about filestash yet. Kudos, this framework seems to be really well implemented, I really like the plugin and interface based architecture.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by 9dev »

memset wrote: post #50
wvh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from Minio, we tried Garage and Ceph. I think there's definitely a need for something that interfaces using S3 API but is just a simple file system underneath, for local, testing and small scale deployments. Not sure that exists? Of course a lot of stuff is being bolted onto S3 and it's not as simple as it initially claimed to be.

For testing, consider https://github.com/localstack/localstack

WAY too much. I just need a tiny service that translates common S3 ops into filesystem ops and back.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by berkes »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #32
jbstack wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

>Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. "An informed decision" is not a black or white category, and it definitely isn't when we're talking about risk pricing for B2B services and goods, like what MinIO largely was for those who paid. Any business with financial modelling worth their salt knows that very few things which ar…

"Informed decisions" mean you need to have the information.

Like with software development, we often lack the information on which we have to decide architectural, technical or business decisions.

The common solution for that is to embrace this. Defer decisions. Make changing easy once you do receive the information. And build "getting information" into the fabric. We call this "Agile", "Lean", "data driven" and so on.

I think this applies here too.

Very big chance that MinIO team honestly thought that they'd keep it open source but only now gathered enough "information" to make this "informed decision".

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by GeertJohan »

hinata08 wrote: post #41
GeertJohan wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a great list. I've just opened a pull request on the minio repository to add these to the list of alternatives. https://github.com/minio/minio/pull/21746

While I do approve of that MR, doing it is ironic considering the topic was "MinIO repository is no longer maintained" Let's hope the editor has second thoughts on some parts

I'm well aware of the irony surrounding minio, adding a little bit more doesn't hurt :P

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by bojangleslover »

muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

Completely different situations. None of the MinIO team worked for free. MinIO is a COSS company (commercial open source software). They give a basic version of it away for free hoping that some people, usually at companies, will want to pay for the premium features. MinIO going closed source is a business decision and there is nothing wrong with that.

I highly recommend SeaweedFS. I used it in production for a long time before partnering with Wasabi. We still have SeaweedFS for a scorching hot, 1GiB/s colocated object storage, but Wasabi is our bread and butter object storage now.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by seddonm1 »

wvh wrote: post #36
PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

Apart from Minio, we tried Garage and Ceph. I think there's definitely a need for something that interfaces using S3 API but is just a simple file system underneath, for local, testing and small scale deployments. Not sure that exists? Of course a lot of stuff is being bolted onto S3 and it's not as simple as it initially claimed to be.

What about s3 stored in SQLite? https://github.com/seddonm1/s3ite

This was written to store many thousands of images for machine learning

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by merpkz »

Tangentially related, since we are on the subject of Minio. Minio has or rather had an option to work as an FTP server! That is kind of neat because CCTV cameras have an option to upload a picture of motion detected to an FTP server and that being a distributed minio cluster really was a neat option, since you could then generate an event of a file uploaded, kick off a pipeline job or whatever. Currently instead of that I use vsftpd and inotify to detect file uploads but that is such a major pain in the ass operate, it would be really great to find another FTP to S3 gateway.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by praptak »

vladms wrote: post #30
jbstack wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

Isn't this the normal sales anyhow for many products? One attracts a customer with unreasonable promises and features, makes him sign a deal to integrate, then issues appear once in production that make you realize you will need to invest more. When you start something (startup, FOSS project, damn even marriage) you might start with the best intentions and then you can learn/change/loose interest. I find it unreasona…

> I find it unreasonable to "demand" clarity "at the start" because there is no such thing.

Obviously you cannot "demand" stuff but you can do your due dilligence as the person who chooses a technical solution. Some projects have more clarity than others, for example the Linux foundation or CNCF are basically companies sharing costs for stuff they all benefit from like Linux or Prometheus monitoring and it is highly unlikely they'd do a rug pull.

On the other end of the spectrum there are companies with a "free" version of a paid product and the incentive to make the free product crappier so that people pay for the paid version. These should be avoided.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by baq »

apexalpha wrote: post #25
jamiemallers wrote: post #14

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I guess we need a new type of Open Source license. One that is very permissive except if you are a company with a much larger revenue than the company funding the open source project, then you have to pay. While I loath the moves to closed source you also can't fault them the hyperscalers just outcompete them with their own software.

you won't get VC funding with this license which is the whole point of even starting a business in the wider area

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

einpoklum wrote: post #40
muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

> Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I find it the other way around. I feel a bit embarrassed and stressed out working with people who have paid for a copy of software I've made (which admittedly is rather rare). When they haven't paid, every exchange is about what's best for humanity and the public in general, i.e. they're not supposed to get some special treatment at the expe…

People who paid for your software don't really have a right to lord you around. You can chose to be accommodating because they are your customers but you hold approximately as much if not more weight in the relationship. They need your work. It's not so much special treatment as it is commissioned work.

People who don't pay are often not really invested. The relationship between more work means more costs doesn't exist for them. That can make them quite a pain in my experience.

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