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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by LeafItAlone »

gorgoiler wrote: post #153

I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

I’ve had a cheap (was $15) single salad spinner, for about 15 years. Decent amount of usage in that time, but not professional level.

So my question to you is: what the heck are you doing to your salad spinners?

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by socialcommenter »

Aurornis wrote: post #135
hnburnsy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, R1S dented rear quarter, $55000 to repair, insurance totaled it out... https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1r19jxb/vivian_is_o...

There are multiple other people in the comments saying they had quarter panels repaired for $15K. Which is still a lot, but it’s not $55K. There’s definitely more to that story.

I'd love to see the itemized bill.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by jader201 »

socialcommenter wrote: post #167
jader201 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and am familiar with which items are common to an EV. This is the overestimating I was referring to. I think you’re either mistaken in what items are common to EV, or you’re overestimating the cost of those items. There is only one thing that needs maintenance on an EV: tires. Unless you’re saying that tires amount to 2/3 of an ICE vehicles maintenance. In which case you may want to shop around for more reasonably…

Not the person you replied to, but I'm not sure how you arrived here. Brakes, coolant, washer fluid, diff oil, gearbox oil, cabin air filter, wiper blades. Did you know EV motors can also require oil changes (at hundreds of thousands of miles, in fairness)? Nice Michelins for my ICE have been something resembling 1/3 of service costs. Not 2/3 but not negligible either.

> Brakes

Maybe at 1/10 the schedule of ICE vehicles, at least for me. I use regenerative braking almost exclusively (probably 95+% of the time).

> coolant

Yes, I did forget about that one. But frequency is about 50% less often than ICE vehicles. Maybe once every 5-10 years.

> washer fluid, cabin air filter, wiper blades

Agreed on these as well, but I bucketed these in the trivial category, totaling less than a tank of gas once every 6-12 months, and all DIY things that you don’t need to take to a service center for.

At the end of the day, I only care about things I need to take it to the shop for. Which means I only need to take it in for a no-questions-asked tire rotation 1-2 times a year, and new tires every 4-5 years. Everything else I can easily do at home.

> diff oil, gearbox oil

These are the same thing, but you’re correct. But it’s infrequent (maybe once or twice over the life, and around $150.

> Did you know EV motors can also require oil changes

Ummm… what? Now you lost me. What EVs need oil?

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by bobby322 »

jwr wrote: post #161

As a European: nice, but why is it so BIG? How is that monster called "mid-size"? Why would one want to haul so many tons of extra metal around just to transport one's behind?

As a European (dutch), why are our roads so small, that normal sized cars look like "monsters". I have often thought, that Europe will have a problem in the future with roads, as they are just too small, and expanding and making them more safe, is unlikely to ever happen and often times impossible. Not everyone can get by with a small little hatchback, some of us need a big pickup (I own a building company). And for the people that do not need it from a commercial point of view, have you ever considered that people have hobbies and some hobbies needs a fair amount of space in a car? Or families with multiple kids doing sport need the space for all the gear? I am worried that in the future, more and more european cities will just address the problem with a disguised "we are making the cities car free, and thus greener and safer". What that means for the average citizen out there is, that any building related work, will just become more expensive, as people will just charge more to get over the hassle of getting into the cities then.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by Marsymars »

jader201 wrote: post #163
Marsymars wrote: post #154

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> I think you’re overestimating what all needs maintenance on an EV. I'm not doing any estimating, I kept a detailed spreadsheet of every dollar I put into the car, and am familiar with which items are common to an EV.

> and am familiar with which items are common to an EV. This is the overestimating I was referring to. I think you’re either mistaken in what items are common to EV, or you’re overestimating the cost of those items. There is only one thing that needs maintenance on an EV: tires. Unless you’re saying that tires amount to 2/3 of an ICE vehicles maintenance. In which case you may want to shop around for more reasonably…

You can see my post from a few months ago where I list all the non-ICE-specific maintenance costs from my spreadsheet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45629438

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by LeafItAlone »

bdangubic wrote: post #71
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48

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> There is a car-debt crisis To what degree is this caused by car prices versus Americans' compulsion to keep buying new cars? Anecdotally, the folks I know struggling with car payments are almost exclusively in the latter bucket. But I'm open to having my mind changed with data.

I have 2014 Tesla S which which I recently had drive unit and battery replaced ($20k total). my friends all think I am nuts, but they all have $1k+ payments (some for 72m) while I haven’t had a car payment since 2017 and won’t have another one till 2036 :)

Who paid the $20k?

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by sgt »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #159
sgt wrote: post #132

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Also Doug Demuro raves about it [1]. Personally I can't stand Marques' reviews. Just inspiring and he looks bored. Doug on the other hand really seems to put some of his soul into his reviews. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUl_0087dyM

Doug's format is beyond worn out and tiresome. He hasn't innovated or improved upon anything in years. Don't even get me started on his voice...

If even Doug falls out of favor.. then I don't know anymore. His voice doesn't bother me too much but he sure has a lot of energy just to keep talking. Never stops talking.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by Marsymars »

jader201 wrote: post #174
socialcommenter wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you replied to, but I'm not sure how you arrived here. Brakes, coolant, washer fluid, diff oil, gearbox oil, cabin air filter, wiper blades. Did you know EV motors can also require oil changes (at hundreds of thousands of miles, in fairness)? Nice Michelins for my ICE have been something resembling 1/3 of service costs. Not 2/3 but not negligible either.

> Brakes Maybe at 1/10 the schedule of ICE vehicles, at least for me. I use regenerative braking almost exclusively (probably 95+% of the time). > coolant Yes, I did forget about that one. But frequency is about 50% less often than ICE vehicles. Maybe once every 5-10 years. > washer fluid, cabin air filter, wiper blades Agreed on these as well, but I bucketed these in the trivial category, totaling less than a tank o…

> Maybe at 1/10 the schedule of ICE vehicles, at least for me. I use regenerative braking almost exclusively (probably 95+% of the time).

In practice, my brakes always corrode from road salt and fuel-efficient driving habits and need replacing long before I actually wear them down, so regen brakes are largely irrelevant to brake life.

> Which means I only need to take it in for a no-questions-asked tire rotation 1-2 times a year, and new tires every 4-5 years. Everything else I can easily do at home.

So that sounds... basically the same as my ICE. Two shop visits per year for tire changes, one oil change per year at the same time as one of the tire changes.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by taurath »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #159
sgt wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Doug Demuro raves about it [1]. Personally I can't stand Marques' reviews. Just inspiring and he looks bored. Doug on the other hand really seems to put some of his soul into his reviews. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUl_0087dyM

Doug's format is beyond worn out and tiresome. He hasn't innovated or improved upon anything in years. Don't even get me started on his voice...

Right you are Ken, but the format pretty much is his schtick. It’s not that entertaining at all anymore, but it’s also decent to know that a review will probably exist for most cars I’m ever considering.

For me his value remains mainly that he’s tall which I am too, so when he’s in a car I can guess what it’ll be like for me.

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