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FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by abeyer »

themafia wrote: post #139
jacquesm wrote: post #59

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I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. Fortunately I'm not in the USA. But you couldn't pay me to go there. One man's terrorist...

> I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government. It doesn't make you "cool." > But you couldn't pay me to go there. Of course we could. Aside from that this mentality always shocks me. There are more civilians in the US than government agents. What were you expecting when you got here? It's madness.. > One man's terrorist..…

> Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for?

It certainly is, but one side doesn't seem to think so.

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Post by bsder »

nine_k wrote: post #130
roughly wrote: post #72

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The Americans who fought against the Francoists in the Spanish civil war faced enormous scrutiny back home for what was later described as “being prematurely anti-fascist.” The state worries about people willing to take up arms to protect their ideals without being told to do so (or what those ideals are).

This is the administration of the same FDR who stayed in power for 4 consecutive terms, which imprisoned nearly 150k ethnic Japanese, most of them US citizens, without any due process, and which executed one of the biggest power grabs by the federal administration. In a way, FDR was much more impudent towards law than Trump, but he was not publicly arrogant or silly, and WWII has been won under his rule, so he is con…

FDR and the US were actively at war against Hitler and Nazi Germany. The Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. These were two of the worst, period, regimes to ever exist and they carried out absolutely abominable war crimes that are still studied in history books today.

Trump and ICE are at war with a middle aged mother and a VA nurse. And they're doing all this in Minneapolis because the gangs in LA scared them off.

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Post by dmitrygr »

squigz wrote: post #167
dmitrygr wrote: post #164

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NO. They just say “any event”

What about SEAMS, mentioned here? https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airs...

iirc, it is not considered official data, so if it makes a mistake and you violate a TFR, YOU are on the hook.

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Post by speed_spread »

oawiejrlij wrote: post #53
speed_spread wrote: post #42

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And reciprocally, where usually illegal activity (beating up people and kidnapping them) is legal.

You mean, shooting them ten times in the back?

Oh yeah, that also.

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Post by Shivatron »

terminalshort wrote: post #169
ceejayoz wrote: post #165

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We blew up shipwrecked survivors a few weeks ago, which is a textbook example of a war crime. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attac... > Two survivors of the initial attack later appeared to wave at the aircraft after clambering aboard an overturned piece of the hull, before the military killed them in a follow-up strike that also sank the wreckage. It is not clear whether the initial survivors…

Ok, but that was not ordered by the president so is completely irrelevant to the discussion of presidential immunity.

It seems extremely relevant. Your argument suggests the president need only appoint a subordinate who will themselves give the desired illegal order without the president's public command. In the unlikely event the subordinate is called to account, the president can simply pardon them.

This is certainly not a hypothetical "parade of horribles", since Trump has already pardoned military officers convicted of war crimes.[1]

1. https://apnews.com/article/257e4b17a3c7476ea3007c0861fa97e8

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Post by ceejayoz »

terminalshort wrote: post #169
ceejayoz wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We blew up shipwrecked survivors a few weeks ago, which is a textbook example of a war crime. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attac... > Two survivors of the initial attack later appeared to wave at the aircraft after clambering aboard an overturned piece of the hull, before the military killed them in a follow-up strike that also sank the wreckage. It is not clear whether the initial survivors…

Ok, but that was not ordered by the president so is completely irrelevant to the discussion of presidential immunity.

President immunity as laid out by SCOTUS clearly covers pardons.

Including "I'll pardon you and everyone down the chain if you do a war crime" promises.

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Post by fragmede »

Shivatron wrote: post #177
terminalshort wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but that was not ordered by the president so is completely irrelevant to the discussion of presidential immunity.

It seems extremely relevant. Your argument suggests the president need only appoint a subordinate who will themselves give the desired illegal order without the president's public command. In the unlikely event the subordinate is called to account, the president can simply pardon them. This is certainly not a hypothetical "parade of horribles", since Trump has already pardoned military officers convicted of war crime…

War crimes sounds scary as a whole mess of badness, but which one is kind of material. Eg Obama's drone strikes and CIA torture likely count as war crimes, though no court has actually tried him for them, so it's hard to get worked up about Navy Seals (whos job it is to go into war zones and do war-type things) having generically having committed war crimes. Did they rape women and babies, or did they shoot the wrong person in the dark of night who it turns out wasn't actually a threat.
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